I use a service for NFL totals called Sharp Football Analysis.com - they are 67% for 4 years and if ever they have an over, jump on it - 82% and while I wasn't with them in 07 or 08, the overs in 09 and this year so far have not lost a single play, but they don't have them often. I did go back and track his overs record when he posted on a different forum, he has links to the plays on his site. I think it was in 07 or 08 he went 20-1 with the overs and has links to every pick. When I saw that I jumped on and its been a good ride, especially overs. He breaks out overs from unders for some reason, I think a different computer model does them indivdually, but unders had their first losing week of the season last week. He also has spread plays, those are so-so - Guy's track record is solid - posts frm time to time on theRX - good guy when I ask questions. Never heard of the other guy you mentioned but will check him out. I Love a good total system!