I don't think I will endorse any outside handicappers going forward

Lots of wrong here-in caps [QUOTE=sean1;39206]I have said it before and will say it again - lines have gotten sharp enough that no one is hitting 54% on WA lines. WRONG I can't even find anyone at 53% this year over 100 picks on full game lines. RAS isn't there. Fezzik isnt there. WRONG I don't know of anyone there and 5 years ago there were many people over 53%. You can't really line shop anymore. Everyone has the same line virtually all the time. Teasers are -110 at best, -120 a lot of places. Correlated parlays are out. Moving money is a royal pain in the ass meaning bonuses are basically out. It's probably still easy to make a few grand each year, but it's really really hard for those looking to make six figures. WRONG I can honestly say right now, I do not feel I have any substantial long term edge. It's the first time in years I have felt that way. Sure I can find a rogue line here and there and I can grab a bonus here and there, but those are offset by the occasional stiff. I would venture to guess for the guys playing six figure bank rolls that those who made 100+% 5 years ago are happy to make 20% and those who were making 50% are probably lucky to make 10% these days. I'm working on scraping 1st half data so I can do some work on second halves based on first half pace and stats. My guess is some advantages (which will dry up) can be had there but if I don't find anything 54-55% there (Since everyone is -110) I'm out and working on other things as investments. GOOD LUCK -Sean[/QUOTE] Just my 2 cents but as Fezzik said zip it

[QUOTE=members;39217]Just my 2 cents but as Fezzik said zip it[/QUOTE] Fezzik said zip it in the context of keeping his mouth shut if he found a successful capper so your reference to it makes zero sense here. Further, if you know of successful cappers that make the post wrong or are one yourself then reveal your info or keep it to yourself. It does NO ONE any good on here for you to CLAIM that people are winning and then just leave it at that. It's like me saying I know a secret to making a million dollars a year but Im not going to share it. No one would care.

[QUOTE=sean1;39206]I have said it before and will say it again - lines have gotten sharp enough that no one is hitting 54% on WA lines. I can't even find anyone at 53% this year over 100 picks on full game lines. RAS isn't there. Fezzik isnt there. I don't know of anyone there and 5 years ago there were many people over 53%. [/QUOTE] What sports are you talking about? I agree with members comments - I use two services that both beat 53% in NFL: sharp football analysis and wunderdog. Both services for NFL are hitting well over 53% since I started using them in 2007. For College football, RAS did hit over 53%, but only had 59 plays so not the 100 like you are saying. But both the other two had over 100 plays and hit well over 53%. So I don't agree with u when it comes to my experience with some services I've paid for. And there are free guys online in forums doing it, i've seen them, but a much smaller % vs. all posters, and probably not as consistently year in and year out.

Do not agree [QUOTE=bkeiller;39218]Fezzik said zip it in the context of keeping his mouth shut if he found a successful capper so your reference to it makes zero sense here. Further, if you know of successful cappers that make the post wrong or are one yourself then reveal your info or keep it to yourself. It does NO ONE any good on here for you to CLAIM that people are winning and then just leave it at that. It's like me saying I know a secret to making a million dollars a year but Im not going to share it. No one would care.[/QUOTE] Yes-I have a few guys doing very well. NFL and current total market-So what Fez said I was referencing. In addition-If someone posts no one can win-I can post he is wrong-AND I can follow Fezziks advice. Good Luck to you too.

See others agree [QUOTE=IceTea;39220]What sports are you talking about? I agree with members comments - I use two services that both beat 53% in NFL: sharp football analysis and wunderdog. Both services for NFL are hitting well over 53% since I started using them in 2007. For College football, RAS did hit over 53%, but only had 59 plays so not the 100 like you are saying. But both the other two had over 100 plays and hit well over 53%. So I don't agree with u when it comes to my experience with some services I've paid for. And there are free guys online in forums doing it, i've seen them, but a much smaller % vs. all posters, and probably not as consistently year in and year out.[/QUOTE] What he said sums it up. Evolve or get out

Edward, it's impossible to bet your stuff Greek pulls it off, NO ONE gets the greek bet. 5 dimes knocks limits down to $50. 1 PERSON gets it at Pinnacle. And I think it very likely your guys are betting it at the offscreen books right at release. Meaning they have it LOADED UP and pop it where no human being using the countdown can beat them. Am I wrong about that? I got a push on your play............I usually can get 1 popp on the total, 2/3 the time I get your number, 1/3 a 1/2 point worse. However, I'm connected, focuses, and fast as are most on this board............ To clarify, impossible to get down at your release numbers..........

FYI..Members info is right and dead on. Sean is just the opposite. He has been talking about "other investments" for a long time. PLEASE GO AWAY THEN SEAN. Sean started a big bases thread years ago and proved what a farce he is (a complete joke as Sean promised big returns and did not even know how to bet). He can fool a few unless you have seen his work...then you know to IGNORE HIM. A long time poster once listed all of Sean's fibs and the list was lenghty. Do not be fooled. Members = proven winner. Sean just the opposite and that has been proven multiple times over many years.

[QUOTE=Fezzik;39223]Greek pulls it off, NO ONE gets the greek bet. 5 dimes knocks limits down to $50. 1 PERSON gets it at Pinnacle. And I think it very likely your guys are betting it at the offscreen books right at release. Meaning they have it LOADED UP and pop it where no human being using the countdown can beat them. Am I wrong about that? I got a push on your play............I usually can get 1 popp on the total, 2/3 the time I get your number, 1/3 a 1/2 point worse. However, I'm connected, focuses, and fast as are most on this board............ To clarify, impossible to get down at your release numbers..........[/QUOTE] This I do agree with. It is more frustrating and more difficult to use RAS each and every year. I still like the service and respect them. But my ability to profit from the plays is decreasing, and at some point the price vs. winning vs. ability to get down on plays may not justify using them, time will tell....

[QUOTE=members;39221]Yes-I have a few guys doing very well. NFL and current total market-So what Fez said I was referencing. In addition-If someone posts no one can win-I can post he is wrong-AND I can follow Fezziks advice. Good Luck to you too.[/QUOTE] I stand corrected and I apologize if I came off as adversarial because of course you do have a right to post your opinion on another post and also not share your winning spots and I understand why you would not want to. But it is frustrating to constantly hear about all the winning when all I see is losing.

[QUOTE=Fezzik;39201] If I find someone else like him, I need to "zip it".[/QUOTE] Agree 100%.