I don't think I will endorse any outside handicappers going forward

[QUOTE=Fezzik;39223]Greek pulls it off, NO ONE gets the greek bet.[/QUOTE] Have to disagree here, it has gotten harder, but I still hear (at least partial) success stories at Greek, including a poster on my forum who got 130.5 on this particular game yesterday. "NO ONE" is inaccurate. [QUOTE=Fezzik;39223]And I think it very likely your guys are betting it at the offscreen books right at release. Meaning they have it LOADED UP and pop it where no human being using the countdown can beat them. Am I wrong about that?[/QUOTE] Yes you are wrong. If our "guys" betting was causing the lines to move faster, then why did the market react so strongly and quickly to the wrong rotation number released last Friday? [QUOTE=Fezzik;39223]I usually can get 1 popp on the total, 2/3 the time I get your number To clarify, impossible to get down at your release numbers..........[/QUOTE] If you get the number 2/3 of the time, how is it impossible to get down at our release numbers? What am I missing here? BTW, I didn't even know you had a subscription. Must be in someone else's name? Look, we know it is tough to get down, especially for higher amounts that some people would prefer, and we understand the frustration involved in all of this, particularly after a result like yesterday's, and especially when we are not having the same type of success as we have had in years past, but I don't know what else we can do from our end to help the situation. We are already releasing totals later than pretty much every one of our competitors. The market can only get better as the season progresses.

[QUOTE=RightAngle;39234]Have to disagree here, it has gotten harder, but I still hear (at least partial) success stories at Greek, including a poster on my forum who got 130.5 on this particular game yesterday. "NO ONE" is inaccurate.[/QUOTE] The first play out of a batch it is easy to get the number at the Greek. The one's that follow are the ones that are impossible.

Surprised to hear the Greek even a place someone can't get down. Not that I am anywhere near perfect there because of misses and the number that is there (that I bet anyway) not being the release number. Bad news Fez! Your fingers aren't as fast as they used to be.

I call it like i see it ............... Greek, 5dimes, etc. have become 'useless' according to my sources. You may get a play, but most greek plays the game is pulled off. AND both places are liberally barring folks for 'playing steam". The follow game on 'proven winning handicappers' has become a virtual waste of time IMO...... I am shocked guys like Edward, playing a push me pull you game of betting AND releasing don't just say "SCREW THIS" and bet bet bet, and toss the ridiculous attempt to bet and release plays with the ridiculous camouflage it requires. I have no doubt Edward is doing everything humanly possible to play both games to the best he can, but it HAS to be beyond frustrating.

Has anyone seen the percentage of plays released that win by two points or less? If it is more than 10, fading the steam is just as profitable. If they're lifetime 55%.

I confer with Fezzik. Greek has gone from being available about 90% of the time earlier this year to maybe 30-40% now. 5 dimes is impossible. Heritage, BetJM, Phoenix, Horizon, Betmania, Cris, etc all put you on review and become impossible. Pinnacle is impossible. Matchbook is impossible. I can only make the plays at off screen credit shops and they have limited me from $5000 down to $250 or $500. It's not Eddie's fault. It just is what it is. I suspect subscriber numbers will fall and maybe things become easier to get in the future, but right now for most of us, it is no longer a viable service. I think if Eddie wants to keep many of his subscribers in the future he should start making about 1/4 or 1/3 of his bets the wrong way, let the line move a few points and post it the other way the right way. Do this enough times and books will stop moving on air. Regarding guys at 54 or 55%... Members please point out a few guys with 100+ (200 preferably) picks in NFL, CFB, NBA... There are not many. If there are 2 or 3 out there and there are 100s below that it's much more likely to be a random few than ones that will hit 54-55% long term. I'm willing to bet a large amount with anyone that they can not hit 55% in NFL (sides/totals) or NBA (sides) or CFB (sides on all games, totals) or a combo of the above on over 300 picks over the next two years. If interested let me know. -Sean

Greek is one of the few that takes reasonable limits and does not put people (at least not me) on delay. Problem is as soon as the first RAS pick goes up, Greek takes down a ton of the smaller team games (and most the west coast ones)

all those who "Can't get down" might have got a blessing in disguise today... looking like we may be getting a kick straight to the jaw tonite. gluck

A lot of people are doing well with College Hoops Totals. The market might be slightly harder but it is much harder for RAS and maybe time to change his model.

[QUOTE=sean1;39257] Regarding guys at 54 or 55%... Members please point out a few guys with 100+ (200 preferably) picks in NFL, CFB, NBA... There are not many. If there are 2 or 3 out there and there are 100s below that it's much more likely to be a random few than ones that will hit 54-55% long term. I'm willing to bet a large amount with anyone that they can not hit 55% in NFL (sides/totals) or NBA (sides) or CFB (sides on all games, totals) or a combo of the above on over 300 picks over the next two years. If interested let me know. -Sean[/QUOTE] Sean, Nobody in their right mind is going to hand a 54+% capper to you on a platter. It is the same thing as pissing on your own foot. Those that know...well they know, and they are not talking. It does not matter if you believe this or not, to find them you will have to work much harder. No free gifts bud. Good Luck