My most Profitable and Highest Recommended NFL Services

For the record, have never spoken to "BW" in my life. Amazing the stuff people make up and believe.

[QUOTE=IceTea;47979] "It appears fez's go-to services are not doing well and nor is his pred that the services I put forth would win either. I admit, 1 for 3, but the "not a winner" comment directd to sharp and hes kicking ass yet again.[/QUOTE] I believe one of his go-to services is 35-21 62.5% +35.70% for the year so doing just fine.

[QUOTE=RightAngle;47983] "Nothing better than good in CFB"[/QUOTE] See, i said u were good in CFB

[QUOTE=Sixth Sense;47998]I believe one of his go-to services is 35-21 62.5% +35.70% for the year so doing just fine.[/QUOTE] I told u earlier I respect your work... but here is why I was not on board this season w/ you (not saying I never would be again, just saying the facts): You hit 53% when I was getting your plays wkly in 2009. I didn't track u record last yr but I know it was around 52% last year. So yes, you are having a solid year, but I hope you continue to hit upper 50s lower 60s as opposed to 52-53%. U aslo could improve your marketability and trustworthiness by doing exactly what RAS or SFA does and that is publicly post ur plays after kickoff. I saw RAS tweet about this the other week and commend him for his statements on it. Like all the other guys at "covers" or "sportsmemo" who hide behind the sports monitor. Ummm.. OK....... If u really are good and know it you won't be scared to tell the world what u played after the game starts. RAS can shed more light into that.... he's the king when it comes to it.

ETA that I congratulate u on your success so far this yr and wish u a solid remainder of the season...

[QUOTE=IceTea;48002]I told u earlier I respect your work... but here is why I was not on board this season w/ you (not saying I never would be again, just saying the facts): You hit 53% when I was getting your plays wkly in 2009. I didn't track u record last yr but I know it was around 52% last year. So yes, you are having a solid year, but I hope you continue to hit upper 50s lower 60s as opposed to 52-53%. U aslo could improve your marketability and trustworthiness by doing exactly what RAS or SFA does and that is publicly post ur plays after kickoff. I saw RAS tweet about this the other week and commend him for his statements on it. Like all the other guys at "covers" or "sportsmemo" who hide behind the sports monitor. Ummm.. OK....... If u really are good and know it you won't be scared to tell the world what u played after the game starts. RAS can shed more light into that.... he's the king when it comes to it.[/QUOTE] This is exactly why I am not a supporter of Sharp. I could care less about marketability. Being someone who can sell ice to an eskimoe is of no interest to me. He originally said he wasn't in this to make money, offering picks to clients for something like $2 or something stupid like that to show people can win and not charge a bunch of money. That was just to get people to buy his service until he could build up enough clients. I am monitored by The Sports Monitor - have been for at least 10 years or so. My record is out there for everyone to see - I have nothing to hide. Sharp was monitored by The Sports Monitor for two years and had less than desireable records with them. I know, I know, Ruth couldn't get anything right, etc. I put that just as much on Sharp as to Ruth, who I have never had a problem with in the 10 years or so I have been with her. She doesn't always respond to emails quickly but as far as record keeping, I have no issue with that at all. As far as posting my records on the website each week. Don't have time for that. Not saying I won't do that in the future because I think it's a decent idea but I am in the Sportsbook betting when the games go off. Don't have time to post my plays and I don't have a team of people to do that for me. Unlike most touts, I actually bet what I give out and make as much money, if not more, on my wagers than I do with the service. I don't offer weekly services because I'm not interested in the person to come in for one or two weeks and maybe get lucky with my picks for that week. What I find confusing with your following of Fezzik is you have consistently said he cannot win but you continue to follow his picks but then you post your three services that you use because they are consistent winners. Am I missing something here with the inconsistency as to why you follow someone or don't follow someone else? You even said it in this post, you didn't purchase my picks because I only hit 52% to 53% the last two years - btw both years were profitable just not as profitable as previous years - but then follow someone who you say hasn't won for many years. Also, if that is you at or near the top of the Hilton contest, congrats and good luck the rest of the way.

I said I followed you in 2009 but you hit 53% so I did not continue in 2010 but i obviously see your stuff each week. I am a member of this forum because I wanted Fez's picks (which I believed to be solid winners before signing up) and all the info that he has to bring 2 the table.... i have remained a member because i still think that, for whatever reason, despite not winning for 2 years now that ive seen w my own two eyes, fez does move the market and I want to know why stuff moved. do I play everyone one of fez's plays now? no, I've stopped doing that. I will wait till he shows his picks win and deserve my money again. Till then i will hope he turns things around, but like u and everyone, we've heard excuse after excuse "now it starts", "focus is only on nfl", "i have the best and brightest in my corner" etc and we are where we are, so i will wait and hope but my money will go towards others picks who are winning. i wait and hope he starts sharing a glimpse of logic or reason behind plays.... As for your statement that your record is out there for everyone to see, please, show me where. The sports monitor saying you are XX and ZZ? UMMMM...... OK. Sharp actually posted his stuff for free on forums for several years. I saw he won with my own 2 eyes. He started selling, i joined. for whatever reason he stopped using the sports monitor and started posting every single play he gives out minutes after the kickoff like RAS. is this a good thing....... hell yes! I don't want my handicpaper to hide behind a veil of telling me to trust that he is 30-20 on th eyear or that of someone like a "monitor", we all know how upstanding they and the industry is. I'm not saying ur record is not accurate, again, all I can attest to is your 53% in 2009. But I have seen a lot of your stuff this year (though i don't pay, i will admit) and it is very good. BTW.... posting your picks after kickoff is not a "decent idea"... its the only way to do business IMO. I've learned after being with many different touts for many different years. Love him or hate him.... ras set the standard for this.... win or lose, don't be scared of posting your play.... i find it hard to believe you are "too busy" .... if u are in the book, hire a friend to do it.... surely you make enough via selling plays and all your winning bets to compensate someone that small amount. As a client who gives $$$ to touts in exchange for picks.... i hate someone who does not share anything w/ me. Wunderdog does not do this, but at least he posts plays and writeups each week and accounts for losing weeks on his site... this is honorable..... You do neither.... You let a monitor distribute a tally, not the plays, just a w-l record.... This is why i respect guys like ras and sharp, who actually share their play after kick. at least wunderdog posts picks and writeups publicly afterword, which is a big step better than people who do neither.

It's not for me to say, but you're fun to tweak so what the hell. I don't think he's interested in the work required to win your business. He's a winning sports bettor who sells his picks — not a tout.

You're making the assumption the monitors are frauds. I can make the same assumption about Sharp (although I don't think this) because he was monitored and his results were not good. Why should I believe a monitor who has monitored me accurately for 10 yrs all of a sudden made a mistake on someone like Sharp? As for showing my picks, first, you obviously see my stuff so you know the record is legit. Second, why would I share the write ups with you when you don't pay for any of this? You're missing the point of what I do. I am not a marketing machine. If I were that, I would be doing a lot of what you say. I believe in doing the right thing and the business will come. Word will spread about how good I am, etc. I could care less if you know how good I am doing or not. My subscribers know and they paid me to give them winners. That is my only obligation. Period. End of story. As of a couple of weeks ago, I was just under 67%. Not only did I recommend to subscribers to be careful because there is no way we will end up this good for the year. I also had a guy who wanted to sign up but let him know he is welcome to sign up but he needs to realize we will have another 50 plays for the year and I will probably end up around 58% to 60% for the year. He needs to do the math to see if that will even generate enough winners for him. This is one of the reasons I have a hard time respecting Sharp. He keeps talking about hitting 68%, etc. Nobody, and I mean nobody, will hit that over even a three year run, much less a one year run. Yes, it happens in a given year from time to time but anybody who says that is their record and makes claims for people to believe that is going to happen year after year, is being irresponsible, IMO. Just about every other tout out there, including Sharp, in my opinion would be talking about how great they are and taking sign up after sign up, when they should be telling clients to buy low and sell high. You keep making the assumption I am a marketing machine. I don't want to be anything close to that. Yes, I operate differently, but that's for a reason. I have an obligation to my subscribers only and nobody else. Do I lose some business because of this, absolutely.

Oh jeez, here we go again.... "it can't be done"! Another from the Fez school who thinks "if I can't do it, no one can". i've never gotten anything from sharp saying he "will hit 68%" into the future so i don't think he is doing anything false representataton. he is just accurately sharing his record, just like you do..... just b/c his records are better and in the 60% range, that is bad??? it's no care of mine if you do or don't respect sharp..... (i bet u don't respect wunderdog either, because he wins too and has winning records on his website, and no one can win :rolleyes: ) i posted this for people reading the board to track some guys I follow and respect. obviously a competitor of his is not going to compliment his long or shor term record. as for respecting ..... clearly Fez didn't. Wanted picks posted, didn't think they'd beat 52%. This season sharp posted everything after kickoff and his totals are whatever i said above, something over 60%. i mean, how dumb does this sound: A guy says he is good at totals.... averages about NFL 60 or so totals per year. Posted them online for a couple o years.... After 4 years he's like 66% or so. "No chance he continues". Then last year he hits 59% ~ 100 plys. "Below 52% this year for sure" Then this year he's had about 50 totals plays.... all posted to view for free after kick and is hitting 63%. "Nobody, and I mean nobody, will hit that over even a three year run, much less a one year run" I mean, its a damn joke that some people are so high on their horses as to not respect that there are brilliant guys out ther. Hell... i find a ton of very sharp guys on forums all the time, and enjoy seeing their plays and hearing why they like them. guys who may not hit 60% for 5 years and crap, but will hit 60% for a few yers. U need 2 know when the guy isn't feeling it any more, or is cold. it's the name of the game, especially when u are talking lower caliber (but still decent) touts or forum guys. this is the root of a thread i started on thsi board last year about winning. Fez and apparently u too (but you aren't the only 1 there are lots here who may agree) find it impossible to sustain over 55% long term, but that is nonsense.... its been done and i see it done by several people with consistency. Last thing i will say about the record keeping. There is a reason someone like RAS posts his plays publicly after kickoff. u don't need to share writeups, plays after kick would suffice. i have no idea what you mean by "I am not a marketing machine. If I were that, I would be doing a lot of what you say." what did i tell u to do except post your plays after kick? How the hell does that make u a marketing machine?