Notre Dame News - Head coach Kelly

From your posts, you obviously feel we should reserve judgment on Kelly, this incident, and the program in general. With so little coming from Swarbrick and the coach (commentary of substance), that's hard to do. Anyway, if you can elaborate, what are your 3 friends saying about what happened? If you have some good insight, I think everyone would love to hear it. I'm basing my opinion on how things "appear" from the outside - but maybe we're missing something. I don't think so, but I am open to another point of view.
Tragic stuff - to continue to train a few yards away while the fella is fighting for his life is pretty rough.
[QUOTE=IrishTim;31468]I have 3 friends on the team. This is 100% incorrect.[/QUOTE] He admitted that they continued to practice while he went over to check out the scene where the kid fell. He quoted himself.
[QUOTE=bigrobbie;31470]From your posts, you obviously feel we should reserve judgment on Kelly, this incident, and the program in general. With so little coming from Swarbrick and the coach (commentary of substance), that's hard to do. Anyway, if you can elaborate, what are your 3 friends saying about what happened? If you have some good insight, I think everyone would love to hear it. I'm basing my opinion on how things "appear" from the outside - but maybe we're missing something. I don't think so, but I am open to another point of view.[/QUOTE] Well people are going to judge no matter what. It's very easy to point fingers after the fact. One of the reasons Weis was fired was because of how soft the team was and a lot of fans pointed to the fact that they would go indoors any time it was under 60 degrees as part of this. According to my one friend - a walk-on linebacker (Declan was filming the defense) - as soon as the lift fell, a bunch of the players ran over to him. Manti was the first one there and they immediately started trying to help. A few seconds later, the medical stuff got there and started tending towards him. The players on the other side of the field had no idea what was going on (there are multiple full-length football fields within the complex), so Kelly told them to keep doing the drills until he could investigate what happened (remember, the lift had fallen outside the walls of the practice complex so Kelly had to go out the gate and run around the fence to get to the fallen lift). As soon as he saw that the medical personnel/ambulance was there and tending to Declan, Kelly walked back in, called the team together, said a prayer, and then practice was over.

Thanks for that explanation. I guess we'll find out whose call it was for the kid to go up (and stay up) in the lift. Regarding the team, Sean put it best. ND admission standards force them to pass on some of the premium talent out there. In today's era, ND is not THE destination - like it was a few decades ago. The problem is, alumni are not willing to accept that. They want to compete for the BCS title (or at least be in a BCS bowl) more often than not. These unreasonable expectations are going to put any ND coach in a bad spot.
[QUOTE=bigrobbie;31525]Thanks for that explanation. I guess we'll find out whose call it was for the kid to go up (and stay up) in the lift. Regarding the team, Sean put it best. ND admission standards force them to pass on some of the premium talent out there. In today's era, ND is not THE destination - like it was a few decades ago. The problem is, alumni are not willing to accept that. They want to compete for the BCS title (or at least be in a BCS bowl) more often than not. These unreasonable expectations are going to put any ND coach in a bad spot.[/QUOTE] I didn't know the kid so I won't speak on that, but I think that he could have come down if he really wanted. You have to remember that Kelly was staring down the barrel of one of the most embarrassing losses he's ever had (Navy) so it's fair to assume he was worried about things other than his managers. Again, hindsight is 20-20. It's easy to say it's so obvious that they shouldn't have been up there after the fact. I am certain that if he went indoors that day, the ND fan blogs and message boards would have been all over him (because the weather wasn't very bad - I am on another team that practices outdoors and can't in the wind and we had a very productive practice). ND has still pulled some very good (top 10) recruiting classes together even with the admission standards. Could we ever get a kid like Noel Devine or Cam Newton? No, of course not. Problem is the 4 stars we keep recruiting are too soft.
notre dame toledo's biggest win in the school history ! notre dame hasn't been a national championship contender for a lot of years. maybe the last time was when HOLTZ was head coach. they haven't had a stud defense for who knows how long. NBC pays them big bucks . doesn't anybody at NBC know they have been showing a mediocre product for years. the defense cannot stop anybody. they haven't been able to in years. beats by NAVY------TOLEDO WAKE UP NBC !!!!!!!!!
Tulsa - not Toledo. When Holtz was the coach, that was their last really competitive era.