Treatise on an NFL OT decision

Treatise on an NFL OT decision [B]Treatise on a NFL Playoff game overtime decision[/B] [I]This treatise is somewhat difficult to follow so careful reading is necessary. I assume the reader knows elementary probability theory and is acquainted with the new NFL rules regarding overtime.[/I] Let’s examine a possible decision point in an NFL Playoff game in overtime on the first possession, namely Team A going for a touchdown (TD) close to the opponent’s goal line versus kicking a field goal (FG). Further, let’s isolate the case of a 4th and goal situation. A TD wins the game outright while a FG prolongs the game and allows Team B to win or tie after the ensuing kickoff. Two choices are examined here: 1) go for the TD or 2) go for a FG. Let pTDM be the probability that a TD is scored if it is attempted and pFGM be the probability that if a FG is attempted, it is good. Let pPTD be the ultimate probability of a win in the case of 1) a TD attempted, 2) a penalty or some other event occurs and 3) Team A retains the ball for another play or gets a first down. Let’s ignore the probability that if a FG is attempted, the play may result in a Team A TD (most likely a botched snap, etc). Let’s ignore the probability that Team A allows a turnover that results in a Team B TD and thus loses the game. A faked FG is treated as a TD attempt. Note that this may be a very smart thing to do depending on the personnel involved since it may increase the probability of a TD. Let pWTD be the overall probability of a win if we choose 1) to go for the TD and let pWFG be the overall win probability if we choose 2) the FG attempt. Now we can write that pWTD = pTDM +(1-pTDM)*pWNO_TD and pWFG = pFGM *pW1A+(1-pFGM)*pWNO_FG where pWNO_TD is the probability of a subsequent win if no TD is scored by Team A on the TD attempt, pW1A is the probability of a subsequent Team A win after Team B’s first possession and pWNO_FG is the probability of a subsequent win if the Team A FG attempt is not good. [B]So now we are ready to see if we can make any sense of this stuff.[/B] We seek to find what values of pTDM are needed to make going for a TD better than the more “conservative” approach of kicking the FG and hoping your defense can hold Team B. To this end, we simply ask for: pWTD > pWFG. This becomes: pTDM + (1-pTDM) * pWNO_TD > pFGM *pW1A + (1-pFGM) * pWNO_FG With some algebra we get: [B]pTDM > (pWNO_FG - pWNO_TD + pFGM * (pW1A - pWNO_FG)) / (1 - pWNO_TD )[/B] A pretty obvious result …LOL Let’s examine pW1A which is the combination of Team A’s probability of winning 3-0 on the 1st possession (denoted p_3-0W1) and winning (denoted pW2A) if Team B ties the game up with a FG (denoted p_3-3T1). Remember in this case, Team B must score or it loses the game outright, thus on a 4th down Team B will always go for it or attempt a FG. So pW1A = p_3-0W1 + p_3-3T1 * pW2A Also pWNO_TD = pWxTD + pPTD, the two cases of a win by missing the TD. [B]Example:[/B] The following values are estimates from a variety of NFL data and outright guesses. pFGM = 0.98 : Short yardage FG conversion percentage p_3-0W1 = 0.53 : Chances of stopping Team B with no score (on 1st poss) p_3-3T1 = 0.32 : Chances of holding Team B to a FG (on 1st poss) pW2A = 0.57 : Chances of Team A winning after 3-3 tie, close to same as old rules! pWNO_FG = 0.51 : Slightly better than 50% chance of still winning the game with good (for Team A) field postion from missed FG pWxTD = 0.56 : Better than 50% chance of still winning the game with better (for Team A) field postion from failed TD pPTD = 0.04 : Rare chance of a pass interference or such penalty with subsequent win gives pTDM > 27.1% which indicates a TD should be tried on a 4th and goal from inside about the five yard line. Note that the NFL average two-pt conversion rate from the 2 yd line is around 44%. [B]The main decision sensitivity for choosing to go for the TD is that it must outweigh the effectiveness of the defense in stopping Team B on its first possession.[/B] In the example, I use a 53/32/15 mix for a Team A win/tie/loss if the Team A FG is made. If we use a 65/24/11 mix (better defense), then pTDM > 45.3% ! So in this case, going for a TD from the 2 yd line probably would not be advisable. Who knows, you may be able to take some of this analysis and impress your SuperBowl party guests with it. I invite comments/thoughts on the treatise’s usefulness, modeling, assumptions, refinements and/or possible errors (heaven forbid!).
Good analysis Bob I have never felt compelled to post on the site but as a person with an extensive background in applied mathematics I personally wanted to thank you for taking the time to inject some basic probabily theory in explaining the decision process. Whether you recall the formula and logic from memory or had to reach back and look some of it up job well done. This is why I'm here.
Thanks Thanks Agent19, I appreciate the comments. BTW, I found a serious error in my spreadsheet evaluator and have edited the original post to be correct. Please re-read even though the conclusions are much the same. Thanks.
Solve By Inspection, Go for it on 4th and 1. :) .................

[QUOTE=ComptrBob;38768][B]Treatise on a NFL Playoff game overtime decision[/B] [I]This treatise is somewhat difficult to follow so careful reading is necessary. I assume the reader knows elementary probability theory and is acquainted with the new NFL rules regarding overtime.[/I] Let’s examine a possible decision point in an NFL Playoff game in overtime on the first possession, namely Team A going for a touchdown (TD) close to the opponent’s goal line versus kicking a field goal (FG). Further, let’s isolate the case of a 4th and goal situation. A TD wins the game outright while a FG prolongs the game and allows Team B to win or tie after the ensuing kickoff. Two choices are examined here: 1) go for the TD or 2) go for a FG. Let pTDM be the probability that a TD is scored if it is attempted and pFGM be the probability that if a FG is attempted, it is good. Let pPTD be the ultimate probability of a win in the case of 1) a TD attempted, 2) a penalty or some other event occurs and 3) Team A retains the ball for another play or gets a first down. Let’s ignore the probability that if a FG is attempted, the play may result in a Team A TD (most likely a botched snap, etc). Let’s ignore the probability that Team A allows a turnover that results in a Team B TD and thus loses the game. A faked FG is treated as a TD attempt. Note that this may be a very smart thing to do depending on the personnel involved since it may increase the probability of a TD. Let pWTD be the overall probability of a win if we choose 1) to go for the TD and let pWFG be the overall win probability if we choose 2) the FG attempt. Now we can write that pWTD = pTDM +(1-pTDM)*pWNO_TD and pWFG = pFGM *pW1A+(1-pFGM)*pWNO_FG where pWNO_TD is the probability of a subsequent win if no TD is scored by Team A on the TD attempt, pW1A is the probability of a subsequent Team A win after Team B’s first possession and pWNO_FG is the probability of a subsequent win if the Team A FG attempt is not good. [B]So now we are ready to see if we can make any sense of this stuff.[/B] We seek to find what values of pTDM are needed to make going for a TD better than the more “conservative” approach of kicking the FG and hoping your defense can hold Team B. To this end, we simply ask for: pWTD > pWFG. This becomes: pTDM + (1-pTDM) * pWNO_TD > pFGM *pW1A + (1-pFGM) * pWNO_FG With some algebra we get: [B]pTDM > (pWNO_FG - pWNO_TD + pFGM * (pW1A - pWNO_FG)) / (1 - pWNO_TD )[/B] A pretty obvious result …LOL Let’s examine pW1A which is the combination of Team A’s probability of winning 3-0 on the 1st possession (denoted p_3-0W1) and winning (denoted pW2A) if Team B ties the game up with a FG (denoted p_3-3T1). Remember in this case, Team B must score or it loses the game outright, thus on a 4th down Team B will always go for it or attempt a FG. So pW1A = p_3-0W1 + p_3-3T1 * pW2A Also pWNO_TD = pWxTD + pPTD, the two cases of a win by missing the TD. [B]Example:[/B] The following values are estimates from a variety of NFL data and outright guesses. pFGM = 0.98 : Short yardage FG conversion percentage p_3-0W1 = 0.53 : Chances of stopping Team B with no score (on 1st poss) p_3-3T1 = 0.32 : Chances of holding Team B to a FG (on 1st poss) pW2A = 0.57 : Chances of Team A winning after 3-3 tie, close to same as old rules! pWNO_FG = 0.51 : Slightly better than 50% chance of still winning the game with good (for Team A) field postion from missed FG pWxTD = 0.56 : Better than 50% chance of still winning the game with better (for Team A) field postion from failed TD pPTD = 0.04 : Rare chance of a pass interference or such penalty with subsequent win gives pTDM > 27.1% which indicates a TD should be tried on a 4th and goal from inside about the five yard line. Note that the NFL average two-pt conversion rate from the 2 yd line is around 44%. [B]The main decision sensitivity for choosing to go for the TD is that it must outweigh the effectiveness of the defense in stopping Team B on its first possession.[/B] In the example, I use a 53/32/15 mix for a Team A win/tie/loss if the Team A FG is made. If we use a 65/24/11 mix (better defense), then pTDM > 45.3% ! So in this case, going for a TD from the 2 yd line probably would not be advisable. Who knows, you may be able to take some of this analysis and impress your SuperBowl party guests with it. I invite comments/thoughts on the treatise’s usefulness, modeling, assumptions, refinements and/or possible errors (heaven forbid!).[/QUOTE] Bob...Thanks again for the contribution to the board. In attempting to apply this to Sunday's game between the Packers and Steelers, what inputs would you use to help Tomlin and McCarthy make this same decision?
[QUOTE=Fezzik;38789]Solve by inspection :) .................[/QUOTE] Yes, 4th and goal from the 1 is a slam dunk, but let's put that Northwestern education (specifically the math and probability) to some use. LOL How does the the success rate for a TD vary as a function of the yardage required? We know that from 2 yards out, the probability is around 44%, but what is it at 5 yds out, 7 yds out and 10 yds out. At what point do you just kick the FG?
[QUOTE=johnnetto;38793]Bob...Thanks again for the contribution to the board. In attempting to apply this to Sunday's game between the Packers and Steelers, what inputs would you use to help Tomlin and McCarthy make this same decision?[/QUOTE] I would first convince them to prepare to increase several of these winning probablities as much as possible (e.g practice several short yardage gadget plays). Coaches generally make these decisions "by the seat of their pants" so I would take them step by step through the math so they believed it gives them the best chance of winning. Seriously, if I was the "strategy' coach I would have a laptop with spreadsheet prepared with these parameters loaded. I would treat as dynamic (and key) the probability mix of my defense holding Team B (winning/tying after score is 3-0). Ultimately, the calculation should determine their decision. If its a close decision, then let them use their "gut" .... LOL
good god u math geeks, whats the BOTTOM LINE?? is overtime a good bet or not..... appreciatte the disertation, but need CONCLUSIUONS BOB! thats thePOINT of computations .. not ambiguity
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NO OT -1200 ior better is a good bet Changing the OT rules doesn't change this 'no brainer' bet