Two new things happened to me over the weekend

Two new things happened to me over the weekend So I had two new things happen to me over the weekend: 1 - I found my first arbitrage opportunity that I was actually able to capitalize on 2 - I moved the line in a Vegas casino :) I was doing my props over the weekend and I spotted a natural arbitrage. One casino at +125 and another at -110 . . . it was a thing of beauty! So I went to the -110 casino because that was the number I thought wouldn't stay. I bet the max on it, which the agent called out and the line was moved shortly thereafter to -135 . . . boo! It was my impression (assumption?) that these arbitrages don't really happen any more since casinos can see each other's lines or people are quick to capitalize on them and it disappears. Amy I wrong. Do arbs happen more than I realize or did I just get lucky? It made me want to start looking for more arbs on a daily basis, I just dont know how often they happen - are they worth looking for?
those are not worth looking for...maybe 5 years ago you could get props with a 30 cent arb but nowdays they are rare...besides most prop limits are 500 max...thre are better angles to spend your time looking into, like just looking to pick off the already weak prop lines.
[QUOTE=dcheng112;56179]those are not worth looking for...maybe 5 years ago you could get props with a 30 cent arb but nowdays they are rare...besides most prop limits are 500 max...thre are better angles to spend your time looking into, like just looking to pick off the already weak prop lines.[/QUOTE] I disagree. In the age of the mobile app they might be worthwhile. You're right from the old-school perspective of having to walk through EVERY casino to find these. I only walked into the casino because I wasn't better prepared with my mobile account. I could only do 1 leg remotely, had to do the other one "live". But in theory, I could have done the arb without leaving my house in under 5 minutes. That seems like a reasonable investment for what's effectively free money.
yes, if you see it, it is of course worth it. I was just sayiing they are rare and small limits so its not worth the time to stare at the prop list and refresh the window for 40 bucks every couple of days. also more than likely if you see an arb situation like that, it is probably more profitable to just play the side that is off consensus for the max. have a good one.

[QUOTE=dcheng112;56181]yes, if you see it, it is of course worth it. I was just sayiing they are rare and small limits so its not worth the time to stare at the prop list and refresh the window for 40 bucks every couple of days. also more than likely if you see an arb situation like that, it is probably more profitable to just play the side that is off consensus for the max. have a good one.[/QUOTE] I dont see how playing the "off" line for the max blindly is a winning strategy. Arbs are a reflection of pricing mistakes by the individual casino, they have little to do with the actual relevance of the wager.
playing both sides of the arb could be justified if a> you had a high percentage of your bankroll on one side, OR if it so happened the real market or your perceived fair line fell in the middle of both available opportunities. but in almost all arb opportunities you will find, there is an obv wrong side which should be the only bet you make. you always want to avoid betting any single bet that you would conclude to be -ev
keep going - loads of stuff out there
[QUOTE=costar;56200]keep going - loads of stuff out there[/QUOTE] Well yes but want to know if there's loads of *arbs* out there :)
I think Sundown has pretty much nailed answers I agree with. I'm no longer baby sitting Reno but I did it for several years and even there I wouldn't say there are loads out there. IMO a scalper who can bet all of the Nevada casinos along with a reasonable selection of offshore books and a Matchbook account would be hard pressed to scalp for 40K per year. Certain Nevada casinos are better than others. I think if you're playing at certain Nevada casinos and not others the numbers are less. I'm always talking about "in your lap" scalps. I'm not talking about taking a lead on a game for big money and then the market moving favourably in your direction several hours later. I'm talking about simultaneously entering bets and taking no market risk. If you don't have the correct offshore outs to offset many of the numbers in Nevada once again the numbers are way less. My experience is that a LV bettor without access to Pinnacle or Matchbook has no chance in the arbitrage game. Oh sure the odd one. Maybe the odd 10. Kudos for finding one. But I wouldn't make it a key part of my business plan and there would be no systematic living in it. I'll go that far would be interested in hearing if anyone disagrees. But if you did 200 scalps for 20 cents at 1000 per bet that would be an absolute maximum of $40,000 and that is letting all the scalps ride one way and 20 cents is totally unreasonble. 20 cents will be in your 97th percentile of scalps for cents. You might average 8-10 cents and I thnk you'll find 200 of them not that easy. You'll also likely not let them ride so all the time. If you want to add 20K in profits scalping you'll need the appropriate offshore outs and be involved in baseball and football side betting. Using your screen select Nevada outs where you can expect the most in your lap scalps. The props would have some use around Super Bowl of course and some other times but the limits will conspire against you to make any decent money but obviously if you are not comfortable with betting the 500 either because of the size of bet or the bet you're making when you see it scalp it and go out for dinner. Practically, most pro bettors will convert the value of their scalp bets to middle opportunities if they don't just take all of the bet for risk at least in my experience and forego the scalp. For myself that includes props. I'll search where I can to go over 2 and under 2.5 on whatever we're talking about just for the shot at the 2 as an example and not just scalp my bet if for some reason I don't want the bet.
[QUOTE=Skeeter;56206]I think Sundown has pretty much nailed answers I agree with. I'm no longer baby sitting Reno but I did it for several years and even there I wouldn't say there are loads out there. IMO a scalper who can bet all of the Nevada casinos along with a reasonable selection of offshore books and a Matchbook account would be hard pressed to scalp for 40K per year. Certain Nevada casinos are better than others. I think if you're playing at certain Nevada casinos and not others the numbers are less. I'm always talking about "in your lap" scalps. I'm not talking about taking a lead on a game for big money and then the market moving favourably in your direction several hours later. I'm talking about simultaneously entering bets and taking no market risk. If you don't have the correct offshore outs to offset many of the numbers in Nevada once again the numbers are way less. My experience is that a LV bettor without access to Pinnacle or Matchbook has no chance in the arbitrage game. Oh sure the odd one. Maybe the odd 10. Kudos for finding one. But I wouldn't make it a key part of my business plan and there would be no systematic living in it. I'll go that far would be interested in hearing if anyone disagrees. But if you did 200 scalps for 20 cents at 1000 per bet that would be an absolute maximum of $40,000 and that is letting all the scalps ride one way and 20 cents is totally unreasonble. 20 cents will be in your 97th percentile of scalps for cents. You might average 8-10 cents and I thnk you'll find 200 of them not that easy. You'll also likely not let them ride so all the time. If you want to add 20K in profits scalping you'll need the appropriate offshore outs and be involved in baseball and football side betting. Using your screen select Nevada outs where you can expect the most in your lap scalps. The props would have some use around Super Bowl of course and some other times but the limits will conspire against you to make any decent money but obviously if you are not comfortable with betting the 500 either because of the size of bet or the bet you're making when you see it scalp it and go out for dinner. Practically, most pro bettors will convert the value of their scalp bets to middle opportunities if they don't just take all of the bet for risk at least in my experience and forego the scalp. For myself that includes props. I'll search where I can to go over 2 and under 2.5 on whatever we're talking about just for the shot at the 2 as an example and not just scalp my bet if for some reason I don't want the bet.[/QUOTE] Ill live if I don't make 40K a year on these. I look at them as overnight loans that I'm making to the casinos and getting a higher interest rate than what I could otherwise. If my bankroll is sitting in my savings account, I might get $20 of yearly interest on it (and that's from a "generous" bank). A 1-year CD is paying, what, like 1% right now? If I can find scalps in the 5% range a couple times per year then I'm way ahead of the alternative of just letting my BR sit.