Diamond Shake Down

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Ak-Chin and Harrahs Rincon also offer free transportation to bring "customers to the property" Ak-Chin's DL is usually packed with people in the early evening waiting for their bus to leave. When they first changed the requirement to 11,000 points, there were fewer people using the DL. That has since changed.

The biggest benefit to me via Total Rewards is being able to play locally and get room comps in other markets.

Not pleased at all if in fact, 150k will be the new 7* tier. I'm over 200k this year, but I already have plans to reduce my playing levels next year. It is just not worth it.

GWTW, this is an excellent post! Thanks so much for getting some information out of the evil empire

Looks like we can trust it too (never a sure thing).

Actually this isn't too bad a change for us "travelling" diamonds. As someone who doesn't live never a Harrah's I only get 2 or 3 chances a year to make diamond.

Consider this to make Diamond I had two choices in the past:

1. Play $30K of VP in a single day and be good for diamond for that year, but I couldn't do that again the following year.
2. Play $110K of VP across a number of days. For me let say that mean't playing 3 days of $37K of action.

Now the options I have are:

1. Play $50K of VP in a single day with the same can't do it again the following year restriction. Obviously this is a much worse deal than before.
2. Play two days of $25K of VP for a total of $50K of action. This would give me 5,000 Tier points plus another 10,000 bonus. Plus I am now diamond for current year AND next! This is MUCH better than before!

I almost never agree with MIKEY7777 but it would seem much easier now, assuming you were a dollar player or higher anyway.

I agree kiwiboy. I'm not a single line dollar player but I love Double STP in quarters. Even just three hands is $5.25 a spin, five is $8.75. I remember sitting down at the one Caesars Double STP machine in LV early one morning and by the late afternoon having more than 2,000 tier credits. I wasn't trying to have a long session but it just happened to be a good one containing 2 just over (argh) $1200 W2Gs and I was a playing probably 4/5ths 3 hands and 1/5th five hands.

When in AC I can play Double STP in nickels or dimes. Obviously the play takes longer but a LOTTA folks camp out at those machines ALL day, especially on multiplier days or special drawing days. Even playing dimes, the Tier Credits rack up, especially if you're playing five hands for $3.50 a spin or, in my case, the periodic hands (after I've gotten say Aces with a kicker!) 10 hands at $7 a spin.

I guess its wait and see on how play with the new tier levels actually works beginning 1/1/13. on the surface I thought 15,000 points is unattainable for me...but after looking at the analysis you guys have put together, maybe it won't be as bad. But if it's too easy, am sure CET will quickly made changes.

Wonder when CET plans to officially "unveil" their new program...it's already mid-December. One thing the exec. host told us in Vegas was that with the tier level increases, additional perks will be added to diamond. He indicated that a $750 travel option to a casino (or maybe it was Las Vegas only) was being considered. That wold be huge for us. but I'd have to see that in writing to believe it. Why would they offer that perk to all the DL players that they are already complaining about costing them $1,000's in food and beverage in the DL lounges.

OK, if these requirements are actually true, here's my take on it. As stated above, it's going to be a benefit to the people that play more coin - in per day. Typically they have always treated those with a higher daily average better and these changes add to that. I'm seeing that the more you play per day, the easier it is going to be to achieve platinum, diamond or seven stars.

Based on daily points earned on VIDEO POKER to make DIAMOND

For the under 500 point per day player:
OLD = $110,000 coin in over the year

NEW = $150,000 coin in over the year

DIFFERENCE = $40,000 more coin in

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For the 500 point per day player:
OLD = $110,000 coin in per day over 22 days of play
(22 days x $5,000 coin in per day = $110,000)

NEW = $120,000 coin in over 24 days of play
(24 days x $5,000 coin in per day = $120,000 coin in = 12,000 points earned + 3,000 bonus points = 15,000 points)

DIFFERENCE = 2 more playing days and $10,000 coin in

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For the 1,000 point per day player:
OLD = $110,000 coin in over 11 days of play

NEW = $80,000 coin in per day over 8 days of play
(8 days x $10,000 coin in per day = $80,000 coin in = 8,000 points earned + 8,000 bonus points = 16,000 points - YES, this is 16,000 points and you only need 15,000 but you can't play 7.5 days or you would fall short getting the bonus points on one day)

DIFFERENCE = 3 LESS playing days and $30,000 LESS coin in

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For the 2,500 point per day player:
OLD = $110,000 coin in over 4.4 days of play

NEW = $50,000 coin in per day over 2 days of play
(2 days x $25,000 coin in per day = $50,000 coin in = 5,000 points earned + 10,000 bonus points = 15,000 points)

DIFFERENCE = 2.4 LESS playing days and $60,000 LESS coin in

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So, as we can see, this program benefits the player with a higher daily average. Of course in most cases a player that did 25k per day would hit diamond anyway so they won't really care.

In my opinion this is actually better for CET as a company in a way. First it will weed out the diamond players that play a few days a week but, at a very low level. The extra $40,000 coin in per year just won't be achievable for them. In Atlantic City these players are the norm and one of the reasons they added the $10 in comps per visit to the diamond lounge. These lower end players were killing them and causing long lines at the buffets, and diamond lounges. It isn't uncommon to have a longer line in the diamond lines than the gold lines in Atlantic City.

Also people will play higher amounts trying to reach daily thresholds. In the past if you were done playing at 896 points, you were done. Now many people will strive to hit that 1000 point mark so they can grab those additional bonus points. Even more so with the 2500 point day level. Even more beneficial to CET is this is almost what DIAD used to be, but it'll take 2 days of action like this to make diamond. Most players are willing to bump up their play once, but not twice to become diamond. Those that are will suffer twice as much in losses as they used to.

Diamond in a day requirements are out of reach now and honestly it doesn't make sense to run $50,000 through the machines in a day. It will eliminate the people willing to "take a shot" at doing 3000 points in a day. Running $50,000 through the machines in 1 day to make diamond, that only last until March of next year doesn't make sense. If you're willing to take that kind of risk for the limited perks diamond offers you're better off playing for 2 days at $25,000 per day and getting the full benefits for the rest of the year and ALL of the following year.

James,
that's a very impressive analysis. thanks for putting that together. has anyone heard or seen anything "official" from CET on these changes?

Stungazed, thank you for the analysis.

Good job stungazed, this program will benefit me for sure, I forgot about those people that take buses to AC and also get some, not much, free play!