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and that is unmitigated CRAP! (no insult to you MissL7777)

Ohio just created their casino gaming laws. Same thing is going on in my neighboring state of Massachusetts. Massachusetts actually had to 'revise' the state laws concerning free drinks&happy hour to allow for casinos to COMP drinks to players (when they eventually open in 2-3 years).

Ohio is just taking advantage. But, if people go, then they will continue. Bad games, no alcohol. The surest way to get the state (of Ohio) to understand is to boycott their casinos. Quite frankly, with bad games, it's cheaper to just travel to Atlantic City and Vegas.

Meanwhile, I'll continue to drink COMP'ed 100 Year Grand Marnier, among other things, at my local casino.

I suspect the reason Ohio casinos don't/won't have comped alcoholic beverages is because if they did, the casinos could write the costs off as a business expense on their taxes. Less money for the state. If you've ever watched what happens in Las Vegas for every comped drink order, they are all rung up as a comp with a price attached for tax accounting purposes.

It might be crap. However, in some states it's a reality. I don't live in Ohio and am not familiar with Ohio
state law. Considering most casino patrons are not comp savvy and visit casinos for entertainment value, they'll accept state policy.

CA forbids the comping of alcoholic beverages. At Harrahs Rincon drinks are a little less expensive in the DL. One time, I went to the bar to buy drinks for a friend and myself. Bartender was only allowed to sell me 1 drink because friend was not with me (playing 3 card poker). Bartender also told me per CA statute, he has to wait 20 minutes before selling me another drink.

In AZ, management can comp alcoholic beverages, bartenders cannot. Thus, drinks are comped, limit 4 per diamond member, in the DL,unless you have friends. Sometimes, management will give drink tickets to players on the casino floor. Recently, there were changes in AZ so one can use points to pay for drinks
in the restaurants and points to pay for some room charge items that previously one could not use points
to pay for.

True... but, my point is that Ohio "just" created their casino laws in the last few years. They were never there before, and they had the option to make their casinos "player friendly." They chose NOT to do that. Hence, people should be made aware that their state lawmakers basically "suck!" (for lack of a better term) If consumers, and constituents in a state demand more, then perhaps, they will get more. (unlikely, but I do like to dream)

I agree, for 'small-entertainment' players, it's no big deal.

But, for anyone who would give 'decent' action; I strongly suggest they avoid these casinos until they start providing (a) decent games, and (b) decent comps for the players.

Anyway, I hate it when states take advantage of players; and unfortunately now, almost every new 'gaming state' is just a money grab. This "money grab" results in the players (in almost all cases) being screwed.

*growl!*

I would expect that the intent of the law is actually to protect players. If the casino can't give a player free drinks, the player is less likely to go on a drunken gambling binge.

Baccarat_guy, you are one of the most educated comp savvy players that I've met. You see things differently than the average person who spends time in a casino.

I might be going out on a limb, however, I'm guessing the average Ohioan who will play regularly in the Ohio casinos is similar to the average Arizonan who plays locally or Californian who plays locally. This person is retired, rides the bus and weekly trips to the casino is something to do. They're happy to pick up the weekly free play and occasional swag worth $20 or less. They're thrilled to be able to visit a casino an hour or so or less from their home. No need to go through the hassle of traveling to another state. They're thrilled to socialize with others on the bus, casino floor, buffet or in the players lounge. Gambling to them is a social activity. Their mindset is different from an advantaged player or wanna be advantage player,

How's the blackjack - any $5 tables and do they use CSM's?

Oooh, pink $2.50 chips! I haven't seen those in awhile.

Sorry. Carry on.

MissL7777, you are making me BLUSH. Any big plans for our shared birthday this year? My local-home casino is Jimmy Buffett concert night; alas, I will be in Florida visiting mom after her heart surgery.

Working the double-points (machines) thing today. But, just got wind of another "unadvertised" promo last night (well, advertised to those that speak Chinese...). 2X points for all baccarat play (non-macao baccarat) May 1-31. Now, that's sort of a "dream come true" for me.....

Now, off to the VIP-Lounge... with FREE (premium) drinks... LOL :-)

Not defending my state's legislature but they may be following the rule of neighboring states. No free alcoholic drinks in PA, MI, KY, and IN non-indian casinos either.

Concerning bad games the race tracks in Ohio are about to become Racinos. They will all have slots. Northfield Park, 20 minutes from Cleveland Horseshoe, teamed with Hard Rock and built a Hard Rock themed slot parlor at the track. The machines are on but roped off. They are just waiting for the OK from the Gov and they are open for business. This competition may bring looser slots to the Caesar's & Penn properties. I wouldn't be surprised if table games are added a year or so once they start operations. Competition may be a good thing.

~Allen