Southwest rant and new rewards system

Southwest causes me increased costs and a headache.

Last Thursday I called about using a rapid rewards ticket earned under the old system by my father. I was planning to use this on a trip for my mother who is wheelchair bound and her caregiver. the price from San Jose was $89.00 one way leaving, and $74.00 returning. Since the return trips were cheaper, I planned to use the free round trip for the deaprting flights and book the $74.00 flights on the internet. Internet special prices usally apply Tuesday thru Thursday.

I ended up calling someone in Chicago with rapid rewards. I was informed that that my mother had a ticket that expired and could be reinstated for the $50.00 fee each way. I said fine I would be willing to pay this and book a flight for my mother and her caregiver. As she started to proceess this she said she had a computer problem, and was unable to process these transactions and that I should call back when there computers would be fixed. No time frame was given but I should try the next day. My reservations would be held till midnight on Friday the next day.

The next day I called someone in Oklahoma City who locateed the transaction in progress. The could not locate the expiring ticket reward for my mother. Since the speical price had expired was told that they could not honor the expired price even though they were aware that is was likely the person in Chicago told me I did have an expired ticket to use. The funny part is that I was tranferred to a customer service representative. I informed her It looked that I was out of luck, but at least contact the person in Chicago and find out who was correct and who was wrong to ensure that this does not happen in the future. Iwas informed that they do not do such things. Having worked in customer service, If I was aware of someone who gave a response like this to a customer they would be fired. Remember, this is a customer service representative for the company.

This week, I checked the price on the returning flights, and the have gone up to $89.00 each for the returning flights. So I am out about $35.00 plus waste of time and frustration.

Conclusion, do not trust anyone who indicates a problem with their computers. Also I found that you need to inquire on old credits earned under the new system. For these partial credits earned prior to March 31, they will drop off after two years have passed. The only way to use them is combine them the new points and or pay difference for a round trip flight. I told her I thought the system was a rip off. She told me that many people like the new system. I guess I was the only person she encountered who did not like the new system.
Oh my, very aggravating! I wonder if they're required to say many people like the new system.
They are giving you the company line of B.S. I, for one hate the "new" system. For example, for every $1200 I spend and charge to my SW air credit card I used to get one credit- I also used to get one credit for a one way trip, no matter the distance/price of the ticket. A round trip earned two credits ( of the 16 needed for a free round trip ticket). My next round trip ticket to Vegas will generate 1300 points (equal to one credit plus 100 points) which is almost exactly one half the credits I used to earn for a round trip. Southwest is beating me out of one half the flight credits I used to earn (on average) and they have the audacity to say that "many people like the new system". I will continue to use my credit card for the points it generates, even though they have probably watered down those point values that qualify for future flights. Those of us who loved the old system are not the idiots they perceive us to be- we know that their "new Rapid Rewards sucks in comparison to the original Rapid Rewards. I have written an e-mail to Southwest about these very things and received an e-mail stating that they "will get back to me" within a month with a reply. Either they have many other e-mails to respond to or they just don't want to respond to me.
Their web site is a mess, IMO.

If this board represents a subset of SWA customers, I can't imagine anyone saying that they like the new Rapid Rewards program better than the old one.

I would take the time to craft a well thought out and chronological series of events email/letter and send it to customer service. I have found them to be responsive and reasonable when specific flaws in their system were thoughtfully and carefully explained. It would be difficult for me to believe that you wouldn't get some form of compensation.

As an A-List traveler with them, I too am unhappy with the new RR program and certain aspects of their website. However, I can also argue that their old system was perhaps too generour, rewarding and costly to them. Why else would they have changed it? It certainly wasn't to simplify things, right?

I know it's of little solace but if you think this experience was bad, you should try to book a frequent flyer ticket with a legacy carrier. There is limited free seat inventory along with ticketing/booking charges based on how far out from the date of travel you book. In one personal instance on US Air as best as I can recall, I tried using miles for a ticket 2 days before travel. I believe they wanted to charge me $150 ticketing fee due to the "lateness" of my request. The irony is that due to such "lateness", I was likely taking a seat that would have flown unfilled or given to a standby customer; neither of which generate (additional) revenue.

All this to say that while a "many people like the new RR system" I might have countere and said that MOST don't. LOL

Another approach is to start fresh and for future use/benefit, try to locate the missing ticket confirmation number. I have done this on a number of occassions where my ability to keep up with changed, cancelled, reissued, etc. tickets has been a bit too overwhelming. I have contacted SWA and given them my name and two primary credit cards I use to buy tickets and asked them to search for outstanding flight credits. Perhaps they can do the same thing to find your Mom's ticket?

Good luck and just remember that it can unfortunately be worse.

Dan
Good points, and I got the SW Co. LINE when I called about issues..........was told
many people like the new system. I said.............No, they don't.

Funny, when they First changed it.........the first few SW employees I spoke with Agreed with me,
they liked the Old systerm better.
Nobody at SW wants to fess up anymore. Or the suits put the kybosh on that kinda talk?

I still have a RT tic to use, from the Old system.........but cannot figure out for the life of me,
HOW do you book it online? CAN you book Online??
The Old Online system was pretty Good. Now, I spend most of my time, trying to Navigate.
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Originally posted by: Calif.Loves.Vegas
Good points, and I got the SW Co. LINE when I called about issues..........was told
many people like the new system. I said.............No, they don't.
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I still have a RT tic to use, from the Old system.........but cannot figure out for the life of me,
HOW do you book it online? CAN you book Online??
The Old Online system was pretty Good. Now, I spend most of my time, trying to Navigate.


CLV,
Yes, you can see and book your old awards on the web site. Yes, it takes a while to get used to the sucky new web site.
From the homepage, first sign into your account.
Then right above where it now shows your current point total, click on the area where it says "Where are my old Credits and Awards?"
Near the bottom of the next page, there is a button labeled "View full list of awards" which will take you to a page that lists all your old rewards. Right above that list you can either click on "Find seat availability" or go directly to "Book a Flight"
CLV, I feel your pain.
I went to book an old system, left over freebie for a flight.
Old system: Was easy to find link at top of page to find RR flights.
New system? Where in the world is Waldo...er...that RR flight link?
I spent I don't know how long looking.
Somehow stumbled onto it. Don't recall how.

Next, I needed to move points over to fill a near-freebie to buy spouse's ticket.
Clicked "yes" and moved the points.
The new freebie showed up.
Then I tried to book using the new freebie. No dice.
It kept saying no freebie available.
I called SWA, the gal asked "do you see a check box at the left by your freebie?"
No ma'am, no box. Freebie is grayed, like a link you can't click on.
So she worked it out for me.
(This has been a strength of SWA, the competent live person service per phone).

The NEXT DAY I got an e-mail telling me how to go in to certify that the freebie is mine. Aarrgghh. I guess doing this would have earned me the box.

OK, Dan, you are right. I'll have to write to them about all the above.

Lindsay, I suspect that when we call SWA's number, it is like calling Comcast.
There is no telling whom we will get and where they are actually located.
Chances of identifying/re-connecting with a specific individual are slim to none.
Try making a new call, say you believe there is an expired RR ticket on record and you want to pay the $50 to reinstate it. Don't mention the previous debacle.
Won't hurt to try.
CLV, Yes, you can book your old award online -- I did for my August trip -- but you have to go to a different screen. On the new rewards page or after you sign in there should be a screen that says "where are my old awards?" (not kidding) or something like that. You click on that and then you book as you normally would book.
"I called SWA, the gal asked "do you see a check box at the left by your freebie?"
No ma'am, no box. Freebie is grayed, like a link you can't click on.
So she worked it out for me.
(This has been a strength of SWA, the competent live person service per phone).

The NEXT DAY I got an e-mail telling me how to go in to certify that the freebie is mine. Aarrgghh. I guess doing this would have earned me the box." Candy


Candy- That is exactly my Problem! There is NO box to check. Just a gray NON working RR ticket #.
So, You end up having to Call anyway? Nothing is easy anymore......... grrrrrrrrrr






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