TSA Nudeosope OVERKILL at McCarran, especially if you are a Woman!

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Originally posted by: drmilled
I still find it hard to believe that there are that many so-called adults posting here that just don't get it. Here, once again, are the facts- you will be scanned or scoped or patted down if you fly on commercial aircraft. Period. This procedure is for your protection. Getting upset will not change the policy. Did any of you complainers ever think about the others who must wait while you rant about a policy that you know is in place and will be enacted every time you board a commercial aircraft? All you think about is yourself and your perceived treatment. Get over yourself. If you find that you won't accept reality, than find another way to travel. I and millions of other air travelers are tired of your childish behavior.


I have no problem with any of it. They just need to be compassoniate about it and not act like assholes.
loyd, I completely agree.
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Originally posted by: drmilled
A "dose" of reality never hurt anyone. Enjoy.


Dude, you quoted the wrong world. You're looking for the one that begins with an "r."

BTW, do you wake up paranoid and angry or does it take time to spool up?
ken 2v- actually, to answer your question, I am the same from when I wake up til I fall asleep. I recognize the real world and adjust as needed in order to live. I don't cry and moan when I am faced with the changes in life that I can't control. I believe that is a large part of growing up. Others seem to prefer to label, berate or throw tantrums when faced with things they can't control or adjust to. You, for example, like to set people up with personal attacks in order to get them to react in a manner that you can run with. Seldom do you post anything of meaningful value. It is obvious that you have above average intellect, it is a shame you don't use it in a positive manner. Since you are apparently still breathing and processing information I feel that there is hope for you. People grow up at different rates -and it is easy to see that you are a work in progress. I sincerely believe that you can achieve total growth and be the person that you think you are. I look forward to indications of your growth in your future postings.

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Originally posted by: drmilled
I still find it hard to believe that there are that many so-called adults posting here that just don't get it. Here, once again, are the facts- you will be scanned or scoped or patted down if you fly on commercial aircraft. Period. This procedure is for your protection. Getting upset will not change the policy. Did any of you complainers ever think about the others who must wait while you rant about a policy that you know is in place and will be enacted every time you board a commercial aircraft? All you think about is yourself and your perceived treatment. Get over yourself. If you find that you won't accept reality, than find another way to travel. I and millions of other air travelers are tired of your childish behavior.


That sounds like sheepherder talk.
You vs. TSA: How to Choose Between Body Scanners and Pat-Downs
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by Sarah Pascarella, SmarterTravel Staff - April 13, 2011
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To go through the security scanner or get a pat-down? Many travelers grapple with this question each time they go to the airport. I know many of you are skittish about the body scanners found at airports around the world, yet the alternative of pat-downs also may hold little appeal.

How do you determine which option works better for you? Unfortunately, there are no hard and fast rules, says Chris Calabrese, legislative counsel, ACLU: "If you can't bear the thought of someone seeing a naked photo of you, avoid the scanner. If you don't want to be touched, the scanner is a better option over a pat-down. It's a choice between two not-great options, and each person will have to decide which is better based on their own preferences."
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The best advice, then, is to stay abreast of the latest news, know your options, and be pro-active (even when you're not traveling) to get informed and make the best decision for you. Here's what you need to know when you get to the security line.

Before You Go

First, familiarize yourself with the scanner process, both from safety and privacy viewpoints. A new study at the University of California, San Francisco, determined that the scanner radiation risk is trivial. The report goes in-depth regarding fears about radiation exposure, cancer risks, and other health concerns. You'll also want to understand, as well, any privacy issues that have come up in the past (particularly regarding photograph storage).

If you're wholly opposed to the scanners, you can check in advance to see if your preferred airport has them. If they do, you could try to re-route your trip to utilize an airport where the technology is not yet in place. Currently, "image technology screens are at 78 airports out of 450," says TSA spokesperson Sarah Horowitz. "For passengers who are not traveling out of one of those airports, or even [if they are], the technology is not at every lane in those airports." You can find a full list of airports with the scanner technology on the TSA website.

Additionally, know what the pat-down will entail. While Horowitz wouldn't outline the process with me for "security reasons," the ACLU website says travelers can expect a TSA official will examine your head, around your collar and waistband, and "may use the front or back of his or her hands to feel your body, including buttocks, around breasts, and between the legs, feeling up to the top of the thigh." Those with tight or restrictive clothing may be asked to remove said clothing in a private screening area. The TSA official who inspects you, both in public and private screenings, will always be of the same gender.

If You Scan

You've arrived at the airport, checked in for your flight, and gotten in line at security. If you've decided to go through the scanner and avoid a pat-down, take a minute to take off any potentially problematic items.

"Remove all items from pockets and certain accessories that would set off a metal detector," says Horowitz. "Wallets, belts, jewelry, money, keys—removing those items will reduce the need for additional screening." Have these items go through the baggage belt with your luggage while you go through the scanner.

All travelers refusing the scanner or a metal detector will automatically receive a pat-down. However, if you opt for the scanner and an "anomaly" is detected, you will receive both.

If You Get a Pat-Down

If you do choose a pat-down, you're not entirely without options. Before the pat-down procedure, you can:

Request a private screening area
Ask for a family member or friend to accompany you
Notify the TSA agent about any special needs (e.g., medical devices) or religious concerns (e.g., head coverings, etc.)

Ideally, a pat-down procedure should take between two and four minutes, says Horowitz. Given the pace of airport infrastructure, however, it's always a good rule of thumb to budget a little extra time if you're going to choose a pat-down in the security line.

Post-Trip Action

If you had an unpleasant experience, or if the current security procedures just don't sit well with you, get involved even when you don't have a trip planned. "If you want real change, the best thing to do is to call your congressman," says Calabrese. "Say there has to be an alternative to either the naked pictures from the scanner or getting groped with a pat-down."

Besides contacting your representative, you can also file a civil rights complaint directly with the Department of Homeland Security, as well as with the ACLU.

"As travelers, you shouldn't have to check your dignity at the security gate," Calabrese continues. "We shouldn't have to choose between two undesirable options, which unfortunately are the only options for travelers nowadays."

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Originally posted by: ken2v
I love my daily dose of Dr. Strangelove!!


I cooled off and have backed off my original statement.
I'll side with those saying to shut-up and take the scan. Yes, some of the TSA people can be assholes but they are putting up with other assholes (flying assholes even) for 8 hours a day. I would not be in a good mood either. And just like anywhere else some will have an axe to grind or even be a bit of a sociopath.

On top of that we are at war with an enemy whose sole desire is to kill each and every one of us -- men, women and children, regardless of age, race or religion. They do not have the same regard for civilized conflict that we do. They have no problem with using whatever weapons delivery system that they can concoct. And study us to find our weaknesses. Maybe they even read this forum to look for these weaknesses?

By the way, we did go through the scanner at McCarran last trip and they had to double check one of the pockets on my cargo pants. No drama -- just a wanding and a quick look.

Bill
Doc, if you equate achieving some Maslowian threshold with a lemming-like desire to walk lockstep toward an apocalyptic end then I am happy to play in the Hundred Acre Wood.
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Originally posted by: drmilled
ken 2v- actually, to answer your question, I am the same from when I wake up til I fall asleep. I recognize the real world and adjust as needed in order to live. I don't cry and moan when I am faced with the changes in life that I can't control. I believe that is a large part of growing up. Others seem to prefer to label, berate or throw tantrums when faced with things they can't control or adjust to. You, for example, like to set people up with personal attacks in order to get them to react in a manner that you can run with. Seldom do you post anything of meaningful value. It is obvious that you have above average intellect, it is a shame you don't use it in a positive manner. Since you are apparently still breathing and processing information I feel that there is hope for you. People grow up at different rates -and it is easy to see that you are a work in progress. I sincerely believe that you can achieve total growth and be the person that you think you are. I look forward to indications of your growth in your future postings.


Thank goodness there's hope for Ken. I'll sleep better tonight knowing he's on the right path.

Seriously, drmilled, if this statement is true, "I don't cry and moan when I am faced with the changes in life that I can't control.", how about accepting others posts at face value? People share their experiences. Agree, don't agree, that's your prerogative. However, you can't control how or what someone else posts.

I want to believe that you are serious with your suggestions to Ken. Having known him for close to 5 years, I'm sure he's with me.
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