Degenerate Is Not Just a Talk Show Host: My Reno Story, 6/5-8

I've been back from Reno for almost a week now, and I'm struggling to make it all make sense. This won't be in the usual format for my stories.

INFREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS

What's up with the Silver Legacy? What's wrong with the Peppermill?

I got a deal on a package from Southwest Vacations that gave me a flight plus three nights at the Legacy for essentially the cost of airfare. How could I refuse that? I tried to double book at the 'Mill, but they were blacked out for the nights that I would be there. So I just took my freeplay and ran.

The Legacy turned out to be a good place to play and stay. The room was nice enough, but not terribly notable in any way. They asked if I wanted a low or high room, and a room near or far from the elevators - two questions I don't get asked a lot when I check in. I chose "high" and "near". My room was on the 14th floor, and sure enough it was near enough to the vators to not have to plan a mission to get to the casino. I could occasionally hear it pass by.

How was the gambling there?

Pretty good. They have some single deck, double deck, and a couple of shoes for variety. Single deck features Reno rules - h17, d10. On double deck you could double after any first two cards, but not after a split. These are the same as at the Peppermill. The shoe was a little different. There you could resplit aces (to four hands) and double after any number of cards, including after a split.

Fun hand of the trip - I was dealt AA, forgot the dealer's up card, not that it mattered. Split, got another ace, split again, got another ace, split yet again. Ended up with two 21s, a 19, and a 16 - a fair distribution. The gentleman on my left thought this was a fine time to split his 10s. A 19 and 20 was good enough for him, I guess. The dealer hit to 21.

Anyway, most tables were $5 minimum (no lower), though I did see one that was $100 at one time. Penetration was about 1/2 deck on SD and DD, 2 decks on the shoes. The shoes and most of the others had auto shufflers.

There was a fair amount of 9/6 JoB games for quarters and up. One game I fell for was their 9/6 JoB 100x game for nickels. I played it with 25 hands, because I didn't have the bankroll for the full hundred. No huge hits, though I was dealt a flush and a full house. It's always nice to get big hands multiplied.

I did well at their blackjack tables and at the particular machine I just described. Not so much elsewhere. I dumped a couple of hundred at craps - no luck at all there. $5 minimums with 3-4-5x odds.

My gambling at SL earned me about $26 in comps. I used about $7 for a meal (below), and I still have $19 left. I guess I have to go back.

How was the gambling everywhere else?

Don't ask. OK, since you did ask, it wasn't good. At the Eldorado, I lost $60 at video poker and slots faster than you can read this. I played through my freeplay at the Peppermill, then dumped it and more at STP (which is down to one machine - ugh). I lost a c-note at Atlantis playing various video poker machines and a little blackjack. I spotted Double STP there with sucky pay schedules (unusual for them). I also lost small amounts at the clown house and Harrah's. Those are the only places I played.

Any coupons that you care to talk about?

The SL offer came with a coupon sheet with only two coupons of note - a coupon good for a free ace with a $5 bet, and $5 off an entree at the coffee shop (Cafe Sedona) or the buffet. I lost the former and used the latter at the Cafe.

Cafe Sedona. Sounds generic. Anything worth noting about it?

Well, the buffet was closed Monday and Tuesday, so I couldn't use it there if I wanted to. I had the ribs on Sunday and used the coupon. The price was fair and service was brisk and efficient. Service was slower on Tuesday morning when I had a burger. By that point I had enough comps to pay for it. The food was good.

What's up with Reno's bus system?

I think someone in charge took a field trip to Las Vegas and figured they had all the right moves down there. They closed their old downtown station (like LV) and moved to a newer one (like LV). They added an express route down Virginia that uses similar stretched buses that LV uses for their SDX route. In this case it seems to fit like a 4X shirt on a supermodel. The buses will seat about 60, plus standing room. Yet I never saw more than 10 people on it. Riding the bus was fine, but their old stop was more convenient.

Are you ready to become a Southwest whore?

Not yet. I do have their card now, which game me enough points for my NEXT trip. The employees I encountered were nice and competent. The boarding process is efficient, as far as it goes. Since I had a paper ticket, I couldn't use their vaunted EarlyBird option. I got an A48 to Reno from Detroit (direct, stopped at Midway), which turned out fine. I got the window I wanted. One oddity was that to Reno they offered cookies and crackers, but NO peanuts. Heresy! They did provide peanuts out of Detroit, so it's not like I was deprived.

I checked in at an Internet kiosk the day before my flights back (RNO->DEN->DTW), and I got B32 and A60 - not great numbers. I got stuck in the middle to Denver, which wasn't all that bad - better than a 757 would have been. I did get a window back to Detroit.

My experience wasn't bad, but it wasn't all that either.

Tell us about the degenerate portion of your trip.

After returning from the Atlantis, where I had blown my winnings and was now in losing territory for the trip, I went to Silver Legacy's casino to try to make things up. I lost $50 at craps and $117.50 at DD blackjack. I reached into the stash and got some more cash. I played the shoe - 2 hands, $10 each, sometimes more. I won $88, but that wasn't good enough. I played video poker and lost $23 there. Then I went really nuts and played SD at a $10 minimum table. I had it to myself for the first hour - a horrible, sickening hour that sucked over $300 from me. The dealer was feeling sorry for me, which is never a good sign. I gradually got company, the dealers rotated, new cards were put into play, and I steadily got healthier. I played that game for three hours total and ended up $35 ahead. I was exhausted, so I shut it down there.

Quit stalling. What was the bottom line?

I had a good time. I lost about $90. I'll be back in Reno in August - the Nugget for a night, Peppermill for two. I don't know when I'll make it back to LV - maybe October, maybe February, maybe later.

I'll add things if I feel the need, and as always, go ahead and ask questions.

Thanks for reading.
Thank you F4E for your report and ending up losing $90 overall wasn't that bad!

I do know that it can be easy for players to go on a somewhat tilt and get into the degenerate mode but I do know that the period of your degeneracy could have been a lot worse!

At least with me, there is no time that I will play with sucky payschedules or rules and so it sounds to me as if I ever go to Reno, I won't be playing any Blackjack there. I refuse to play at a table where I can only Double Down on 10 or 11. For me I think that it would cripple me too much!

Take care!

RecVPPlayer
Only 90 for my would be a great win LOL. Thanks for the tips I am flying SW from DTW to RNO in September. Never flown SW before so always looking for info. Do you remember how the VP was at Harrahs?
Quite a change from Vegas for you.
I agree with above.............-$90 minus, is Good! Didn't sound degenerate to me.

You may have to change your Name though.........if you prefer Reno trips, to Vegas. lol


Thank you so much everyone.

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Originally posted by: Siwst852
Only 90 for my would be a great win LOL. Thanks for the tips I am flying SW from DTW to RNO in September. Never flown SW before so always looking for info. Do you remember how the VP was at Harrahs?
Quite a change from Vegas for you.


Well, Harrah's had 9/6 JoB for dollars without me looking too hard, so it's safe to say it's better than Las Vegas. The casino itself, however, isn't as nice.
Thanks I guess you are a "high roller " I play quarter VP. I also play penny (50 line) or nickel (3 or 5) hand VP. Again thanks
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Originally posted by: Siwst852
Thanks I guess you are a "high roller " I play quarter VP. I also play penny (50 line) or nickel (3 or 5) hand VP. Again thanks


You're the first one to call me a high roller, and probably the last. Harrah's might have 9/6 at other denominations, but I didn't check.
What a great format...thanks!

I'll be in Reno on my trip next month, so I'm certainly going to check out some these places you mentioned.

$90 loss is chump change...less than the hotel would have otherwise cost. Great job! I felt proud of myself reading your report because I'm not a blackjack player, but I recently finished the book BLACKJACK AUTUMN, so I actully knew what you were talking about...very cool.

Thanks so much for sharing!
Thanks for another nice report, FF. Sounds like you're becoming a real Reno aficionado (sp?). If we're ever in Reno at the same time, I'll use my clown house comps to buy you a meal at their bbq place, which is actually pretty good. The clown has been good to me (3 rfs!) so I give him repeat business.

fredo

P.S. - same offer goes to you Jon.
Thanks Mr. sionow & fredo. I might have to take you up on that CC BBQ offer. I may check it out anyway, if I end up downtown again.

As far as Reno goes, I do like the place. I like the good gambling options and relative freedom from table game paranoia. LV has it beat in most of the other categories, however.
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