From Fremont to Fountainebleau. Thoughts from a VP hustler

Originally posted by: Robert Dietz

Thanks for the info!  I have to sit and debate this -- who knew I would be confronted with the eternal classic "Where is my line in the sand?" from asking a simple question?

 

My cerebral cortex sputters and resets when faced with these decisions. I have done many a Dancer-esque questionable thing in my time, but I have also passed on many that didn't feel quite right. Some of the things I did in my youth were embarrassing and may have crossed a line, like throwing hissy fits about needing a free meal after winning mid five digits on a SB future at Mandalay Bay. I also remember occasionally adopting a Dancer attitude later in life and eating a Hampton Inn breakfast buffet a time or two when the LuxBus to LV actually picked up at the hotel next door. Was that theft? Yeah, but the food wasn't going anywhere but the trash. LOL. I have little in the way of financial morals (I'm from Molly Maguire country, for those who know what that means).

 

But I try to be fair. Whatever that might mean. Probably no faux ticket for me...unless a tree falls on my house that month that isn't covered by insurance. Then God (and the D) will be held responsible and I will extract my pound of flesh (or free hot dog or free play or whatever).

 

As Mr. Spock said, "Fascinating. Just fascinating."


Ethics is a significant issue for any advantage player. How far are you willing to go for a good/positive play? Me, I have a fairly strict standard, simply because I've complained bitterly about the many, many, many, many, many, many, many instances of the casinos doing something ethically questionable that was technically within the rules but still, shall we say, a dick move. I thus don't feel I get to adopt an "anything goes" mentality.

 

And for what it's worth, whatever that line "should" be, I feel that Dancer has happily jumped over it dozens if not hundreds of times--and he hates my guts for having said so. The thing is, he "grew up" in AP heaven, at a time when you didn't need to fudge your ethics to find and exploit good plays, And now, he--you would think--should be comfortable enough financially that he doesn't need to skate. Yet, then and now, he seems to have had very few compunctions.

 

But yes, if you feel slighted and the gods owe you a hot dog, all bets are off. Damn the ethical torpedoes!

Originally posted by: Robert Dietz

Thanks for the info!  I have to sit and debate this -- who knew I would be confronted with the eternal classic "Where is my line in the sand?" from asking a simple question?

 

My cerebral cortex sputters and resets when faced with these decisions. I have done many a Dancer-esque questionable thing in my time, but I have also passed on many that didn't feel quite right. Some of the things I did in my youth were embarrassing and may have crossed a line, like throwing hissy fits about needing a free meal after winning mid five digits on a SB future at Mandalay Bay. I also remember occasionally adopting a Dancer attitude later in life and eating a Hampton Inn breakfast buffet a time or two when the LuxBus to LV actually picked up at the hotel next door. Was that theft? Yeah, but the food wasn't going anywhere but the trash. LOL. I have little in the way of financial morals (I'm from Molly Maguire country, for those who know what that means).

 

But I try to be fair. Whatever that might mean. Probably no faux ticket for me...unless a tree falls on my house that month that isn't covered by insurance. Then God (and the D) will be held responsible and I will extract my pound of flesh (or free hot dog or free play or whatever).

 

As Mr. Spock said, "Fascinating. Just fascinating."


Me neither.  Nothing good comes from any type of scam, sooner or later.  My "little man" (as Edward G. Robinson said in the movie "Double Indemnity") would give me up.

 

But each to his own.  What goes around comes around. 

 

Candy

 

 

Now I remember why I stopped posting TRs.  Way to pile on.  I'll keep em to myself going forward.   Good luck out there.   

Edited on Jun 19, 2024 9:30am
Originally posted by: mannydogpro

Now I remember why I stopped posting TRs.  Way to pile on.  I'll keep em to myself going forward.   Good luck out there.   


      That is a shame. Your post was informative. If you do decide not to post in the future, that is your choice. The feedback you received from me was meant to be informative, based on how the casinos reacted in the past to similar information others presented. 


Tried to delete the TR + the other posts since some took offense but no luck.   Mods feel free to delete all of it.   

Originally posted by: mannydogpro

Tried to delete the TR + the other posts since some took offense but no luck.   Mods feel free to delete all of it.   


Please keep posting.  You provide such great information.  Don't let a few downers keep you from providing the rest of us with your knowledge and info. 

Originally posted by: mannydogpro

Now I remember why I stopped posting TRs.  Way to pile on.  I'll keep em to myself going forward.   Good luck out there.   


I apologize, manny.  Sometimes posts go on for so long they 'digress' from the main topic.  So sorry I offended you.  Truly sorry.  Please keep posting, especially your TRs.  

 

Candy

Originally posted by: mannydogpro

Tried to delete the TR + the other posts since some took offense but no luck.   Mods feel free to delete all of it.   


No, no, no offense from here. I'm sure, from other folks' sensibilities, I've done worse any number of times. Scarfing down an occasional Hampton Inn breakfast when I didn't stay there is pretty low-life. Nobody would accuse me of being "bougeousie," as the kids say.

 

I just think that particular faux ticket move straddles my ethical sensibilities. It stopped me right in my tracks. It's funny. I'm ultra-ethical when it comes to truth-telling and all that, but I do hold casinos in a kind of Mephistos category. So to be honest, I at least considered the move.

 

Your posts were great. I would hate for some Jiminy Cricket commentary to deprive us (especially me) of your info.

I love these forums and the diversity of posts that I read. I learn some things and while I don't agree with some of what I read, the back and forth is good for getting you to think about things. I love Vegas and it disturbs me to see what the casinos have "taken away" in the goal to achieve the utmost in profit.

 

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