Sometimes Mistakes can be Good

My wife and I took up an offer from the Encore for 4 nights at $129 per night with one being comped and then $200 FreeCredit and a Buffet for 2.
We arrived Sunday August 25 and left on Thursday August 29.
Overall this was a fun trip and even the gambling seemed to go in our favor (not a common occurrence).

Our room had a view of the Strat and the Riviera. Since we were on a high floor I was able to look down at the Riviera and realized after all these years, that the huge front part of the Riviera with all the flashing lights is just a façade. It is just a curved wall of plywood with nothing on the inside. I never really gave it any thought in the past and just assumed that this was the real front of the building and that it had several floors of hotel above it. Guess you always can learn something new in Vegas.

The usual activities we like on our trips are:
- Me : Live Poker, (Tournaments and Cash Games), Blackjack
- Wife : Shopping, Spa, Slots
- Together : Video Poker ($1 Jacks or Better)

When my wife is shopping or at the spa it takes away the guilty feeling about playing poker rather than enjoying Vegas together.

On our first night we were tired from driving from California (about 6 hours) so we only played a little at the Encore. However this was enough for my wife to shine. Within about 10 minutes she had sat down at a $5 Top dollar machine and won $150 which she then took to the $5 Wheel of Fortune and won another $530.

There is a tradition for the 2 of us which is that when she is playing slots that I always make sure not to be in the same area as her. We've learned from years of experience that I am a total cooler for her when she gets her 'slot feeling'. We've experimented many times to try to play side by side on slots but it never works out. However, the minute I walk away from her and turn the corner she starts hitting bonuses like crazy. So now I don't question it, I just stay out of her way and let the good times roll.

The exception to this rule is Video Poker, we both seem to be able to sit next to each other for this game (JoB) and while away many hours just chatting, playing, drinking and watching people. So we had the $200 FreeCredit and I knew that the JoB at Wynn/Encore sucked but we looked around anyway and could only find 7/5 at the $1 level so we looked for the $5 machines and found 8/5 (I think).

Time for the Good Mistake :

So in goes the $200 and I knew I had to also put in some real cash to get the FreeCredit started so I popped in $20 and off we went, counting the spins so we could cycle the FreeCredit through and cash out the real money. At $25 per hand we knew that would be 8 total hands. We didn't get much of anything but did end up with a few paying pairs. We get to hand 8 and we figure we've made about $75 real cash and I am going to cash out when my wife asks "Why is there still money in the FreeCredit display?". I look and see that we have $40 left. I think that's odd and figure it must have used up my original $20 first somehow and this screwed up our counting. So I hit the spin button again and get 3 Q, then the beautiful last Q pops up on the redraw. Bam - an easy $625 !!!
But wait ...
The credits only show $500, where is the other $125 ??
Okay, by now some of you will already know what happened but I had no clue until we worked it out together.

Turns out that the $20 I popped in at the start to get things going caused the machine to think I only wanted to play $20 per hand, not the full $25 per hand. This is why we ended up with $40 left from our original FreeCredit after the 8 first hands.

So I had made a rookie mistake but it worked out for us because without the extra FreeCredit at the end we would have cashed out and not had the credit to make that last hand which gave us the 4 Queens. So even though we missed out on getting the max payout for those 4Qs I was happy to take the $500 for them versus cashing out with just $75. Not a bad mistake after all.

For the rest of the trip the gambling stayed mostly positive and I also discovered $1 Triple Play Jacks or Better at both Wynn and Venetian. We hadn't played those before since they seemed too expensive for our normal $1 single line play. However, I spotted that the payout at Wynn on $1 Triple Play JoB is 9/6. At the Venetian in the High Limit room there are $1 Triple Play JoB as well but they are 9/5 which is still bad compared to the good old days but way better than any of their other JoB pay tables.
Question: Does anyone know how Triple Play affects the variance? Does it cause greater highs and lows or does it flatten out the variance?

So this trip we mainly played at these Triple Play $1 JoB games and had a blast.
In the Venetian High Limit room I noticed that they have built little alcoves along one side since we were last there. They have a sofa/couch in each one and a bank of 4 or 5 machines facing the sofa. Looks like a fun way to hang out with friends and play together without bugging the other players. Seems like a nice idea.
We sat and played at the $1 Triple Play JoB near the cage. The only problem with these seats is that there is really no good people watching in the high limit room (unless you are lucky and get a drunk whale or some ditzy trust fund kids wasting the family cash).
My wife popped over to her favorite Top Dollar in the High Limit room here for $5. You need to play 2 credits (i.e. $10) to be able to play the bonus. So she hits the 2 credit button on her first spin, hits the bonus, wins $600 and walks back to my seat with her ticket and a big smile. Nice !!

While we played in the Venetian I saw that the machine had a Countdown of 67. I know that every $67 I played it reset but I don't know exactly what this means. I figure it has something to do with my Grazie points total but I didn't really spot it until we were ready to leave so I couldn't experiment too much. I do know that we managed to put 2,714 points on my card during out 3 hours play.
I am a low level Grazie card (purple) so if anyone can tell me what each countdown means then I'd be grateful.
Or if you can tell me whether 2,714 points in a day is good enough to get me any future offers from Venetian.

I played in 2 Noon poker tournaments (one at Wynn, one at Venetian) while I was there and bubbled out before the cash each time but had fun and felt that I had played well. I prefer the Venetian poker room just for the seats and the space (Wynn tables are too close together). However, I preferred the structure of the Wynn tournament. It cost less, had less cash taken out for the house and the blinds didn't seem to go as steeply, to give you more play.
I managed to get all these buy-ins back (and a little more on top) playing cash games.

My wife had a great spa and even managed to fall asleep during one session which was a first for her.

We were both looking forward to going to Casino Royale (with cheese) since we got some great coupons last time we went in April. This time we were disappointed. The only good coupon was the $25 2-for-1 Blackjack. All the rest were for specific slot machines if you hit special coin payouts you got some more coins. the coupons we got last time were for Video Poker and had things like an extra $25 for any 4oak or an extra $40 for 4oak in certain cards. This is unfortunate because my wife and I have always adored playing at Casino Royale, it always seemed to have some old Vegas character with fun staff. That soul seems to have gone now.

During this trip, we did something that we had always talked about but never had the time - we went to go see George Wallace. We used to see his posters all over that said "Not too Early, Not too Late" and always used to make fun of that phrase and said we should do it someday. Well this time we actually did it and we thoroughly enjoyed it. He plays back and forth with the audience and I get the feeling that each night is different depending on who is there and how well they react to him. He has some slide screens that he uses to show pictures during his act and when he found out I was from Scotland he mentioned that he had been there about 10 months ago. As he said this, a picture of Prince William holding his new baby popped up with George's face photo-shopped in place.

Lows :
- Getting close in the poker tournaments but no cash.
- The last day (the only losing day) which sucked away $800.
- Casino Royale coupons back to being crappy again.

Highs :
- George Wallace !
- Making a mistake in Video Poker and ending up with more cash.
- Finding a new version of JoB (Triple Play) that has good pay tables at Wynn and Venetian.
- My wife falling asleep during her massage.
- Invited Guest check-in line.
- Winning my tournament buy-ins back in cash games.
- Managed to log quite a few $100 dollar bills through the wheresgeorge website.
- Ending up with more cash than we brought (even after our last day of losing) that covered all the room and food expenses.

Already talking about our next trip !
Nice report! Congratulations on your wins. I remember being surprised to find what I thought was a full-pay 9/6 JoB machine where I didn't expect one, until I checked the payout schedule for 5 coins (credits) and found that the 5-coin payout for the Royal Flush was cut back from 4,000 credits to only 2,500 credits.
Congratulations on a fun trip. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for the enjoyable read.

Thanks California Joe for that report!

And yes, with Video Poker, it is in your best interest to check out every single solitary line of the machine to make sure that nothing else may have been changed.

I have also seen (I first saw this at Gold Coast and then at Plaza) some 9/6 Jacks Or Better machines (just like jestes) paying 2,500 coins for the Royal Flush instead of 4,000.

As for playing Multi-Handed Video Poker (like Triple Play), the only way that the Variance would be spread out would be if you were playing it instead of the Same amount on a Single Line machine.

What I mean by this is that at for example $15 of coin in (with full coin-in on a $1 3-handed machine), if you are not used to playing on a Single Line $3 Machine (and I don't know of any $3 machines that exist), then the Variance would go up.

All multi-handed play is based on the first hand, and so if the original hand is bad, you are more likely to end up with three bad hands instead of one.

Where the Variance would be spread out would be if you were to (for example) play at Palms on the $0.01 50 Play machine versus another denomination's Single-Line machine. So, you could play 25 hands there (at $1.25 total for all hands played) versus 5 coins in on a Single-Line $0.25 machine (that would also be $1.25 per hand). That would spread the Variance out a lot. Or, if you played 5 handed on a Nickel machine as opposed to 1 handed (but full coin in) on a Quarter machine. You would end up with 5 shots at a $200 Royal (or a $1,000 Royal Flush if you were dealt a Royal Flush) as opposed to getting a $1,000 Royal Flush for Single-Line $0.25 play.

I want to further add in that the Single line Quarter machine versus the 5 Handed Nickel machine example is there to explain that with the Quarter machine, you will either end up losing the entire $1.25, getting the $1.25 returned (if you end up with a High Pair), or winnning multiples of the $1.25.

But with the 5 Handed Nickel machine, it's less likely that you will end up losing the entire $1.25 because you could win (or not lose) one (or more) of the hands.

Oh, and as for using Freeplay, if you have to put money in to initiate the Freeplay, you need to bet enough to make one full-coin in bet. And so in your example, you should have started with $25 in the machine (instead of the $20 that you ended up starting with).

But that was interesting the way that things ended up turning out!

RecVPPlayer
Nice reporting. Good Vegas action. Love the mistake that paid nicely.
Great report.
thanks for the TR. Nice rookie mistake :>).
Thanks for the great trip report! Glad your mistake worked out. Sorry to hear Casino Royale is losing its old Vegas character. Always enjoyed that place because it felt old school on the strip. Always stop in for my $1 Michelob though.
C. Joe,

Mistakes are sometime wonderful.

Our last trip to LAS my spouse had a $15.00 voucher from playing some $.25 video poker. She likes Roulette and saw one of these new electronic games at Caesars. She inserted the voucher and made her bet only realizing after she bet she had wagered the whole $15.00 on 17. Well, it hit for a great win for her and she cashed out.

I had just before that hit a $1.00 royal, again at Caesars, and having a bit too much to drink decided to put $500.00 of it through a $5.00 machine; Double Double Bonus! I had 'thought' I was playing DDB but was actually playing a Triple Bonus Machine. After about 5 hands I held two aces and hit the other two with a kicker for $20K. What a night! I cashed out too!

However, other mistakes can really hurt you!

Have a great next trip.

Leonard
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