Vegas Wins, I surrender

Trip Report
The common saying about insanity is that it’s doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. It’s time for me to embrace sanity. For the last several years I’ve lost steadily at gambling. I focused on three games: full pay video poker, blackjack, and poker (low limit). Not only have I lost, I’ve lost steadily, consistently, and at a rate significantly above the casino theoretical. For example, my long run loss rate at FPVP has been about 16%. (Note there is one game I play that has an expected return below 100% but it’s progressive so the actual theoretical yield can be in the low 99% or be over 100% depending on the jackpots). Every trip I can remember, my loss rate would end up between 12% loss to 20% loss.

I like playing live poker, but it’s frustrating. I play for hours and will win about 1 hand an hour. What I’ve finally realized, I can only play once per trip then I’ve got to give it up otherwise it eats up too much time while delivering almost no pleasure in the end. Here is an example of my last two poker sessions. Both lasted about 3 hours.

The first session had three hands that I played strong. I had pocket 7’s. The flop is 10-10-7. I bet hard all the way to the river where another 10 hits. I lay the hand down. The only other person in the hand shows her hand and asks if she gets the bonus (no, you have to have a pocket pair for the $50 quad bonus). I flop a set (I don’t remember of what). A straight and a flush hit the river. I lay the hand down as two people bet and raise and re-raise. The flush beat the straight. I would have been third. The third hand I had top pair. Someone else had the same top pair but no kicker. The kicker was paired on the river.

The second session started well with winning a couple of hands in the first hour to put me up. However, the next two hours I would win one very small pot. During that two hours would be the only time in both sessions I would have the best starting hands: aces and kings. I get pocket Kings, pocket Aces, and pocket Kings. All three lose on the river. The first kings lost to Ace-10 when the guy flopped a 10, but hit the Ace on the river (I laid it down). The Aces lost to 9-5 (yes) when the flop was 9-8-7, and another 9 came on the river. I laid it down. The last pocket Kings were brutal because I was playing against a drunk who bet recklessly. He straddled. I raised. He re-raised. The flop was Q-x-x. I bet, he raised. Putting him on either nothing or a queen, I reraised and he slowed down. This is how it went until the river when I bet and he raised $2 going all in. He had Q-3. The 3 came on the river and knocked out my Kings. I was a 90% favorite in all three of those hands. To lose all three is a 1 in a 1,000 shot. But that seems to happen to me way too often. So, simple solution, I don’t play poker much any more.

Blackjack has been frustrating. It used to be all I played two decades ago. Then, starting a number of years ago, I could never win. I’d sit at a table and lose about 2 our of every 3 hands. I’d lose 10 bets about every half an hour. I had one stretch where I lost 17 bets in a row. If I was playing $10 a hand, I’d typically lose $100 in 30 minutes or less. It’s been better more recently. I’ve had a number of times where I didn’t lose my entire buy-in. And I had a couple of times where I broke even.

Video poker has been the most frustrating. A few years ago I decided to put a cap on my losses each day. I would lose no more than 2,000 credits in one day (half a Royal). I had trips where I would hit that limit almost every day. This trip, after staying with that limit, I decided to drop the stop-loss and really go at it with FPVP. The result, in the last two days of the trip I played about 8,000 hands. I wagered about 40,000 credits. I lost 10,000 credits which means my loss rate was 25%. During this time period, I got four aces twice while playing Double Bonus. I got 4 deuces playing DW. And I got a Wild Royal playing KB FP Joker. Those big hits weren’t enough to offset losses on those machines. Those hits are worth 3,100 credits. It cut the loss from 32% to 25%.

I went at it with the mind set that every time I sat down at a machine or table, this time it would be different. But it never was. Poker, blackjack, FPVP, every time I sat down, I lost. Friends have been telling me for years, it’s a bad streak. It’ll stop.

It finally hit me when I was playing DWFP, and I was calculating loss rate as I played, and it was huge. And I was in the territory where even if I got 4 deuces, I wouldn’t be in the win territory. I hadn’t been playing 2 hours and I was already down about 1,500 credits. Then I caught the 4 deuces – the first time in many years. And I was still down a little less than 10%. I lose at such a fast and consistent rate, hitting 4 deuces in DWFP in about 1,000 hands isn’t enough to put me into the win column. And I realized, I’ll never win at this.

Hence from now on, when I sit down to gamble, I’m going to assume I’ll lose. To expect anything else would be insane. If I don’t want to lose, I won’t gamble.

Losing has not been a financial issue. I don’t like losing the money, but I never gambled with money I couldn’t afford to lose. It’s the emotional cost. Knowing that every time I start I’ll lose makes me wonder what I’m doing. Why am I doing this? I’m not sure how long I’d continue to play tennis if I lost badly every time I played.

I still travel to Vegas, but I’ll focus on hanging with friends, drinking beer, eating food, seeing sites, catching shows. It’ll be a vacation. I’ll read in my room, watch a sunset, and catch a movie. Gambling may not be in the mix at all.
I know the feeling sometimes. Hang in there TB.

Lately when we are in Vegas, which is fairly often, I have been getting a car. That give us the freedom to check out anything and everything in town- not just the casino floor.

With your live poker; I can only suggest playing no limit. That does away with many bad beats on the river. Put them all-in early in the hand and many times they just go away.

Video poker. . . it sure seems to me like it's either "going home with the Prom Queen" or "getting arrested for DUI." I either win big & fast or the grind just breaks me. Sometimes when the hands just aren't hitting I'll think to myself, "the math says I should be at least holding my own- oh ya, I hate math!"

I hope you have a great 2012!

TWB
I love your story and your trip report. I have a feeling things are not quite as bad as you are perceiving them to be. Your live poker hands were never 90% favorites,,,for example the KK vs Q3 hand goes to the river with you having 39 wins and the villain having 5 wins (2 Q's and 3 treys), making you a little less than 8 to 1 favorite with one card to go.

Without additional information, I am unable to give you a clearer picture. For example, if I gave you AA three consecutive hands against a single opponent that holds a random hand the odds of you losing all three are about 64 to 1. You will win all three just slightly over 50%. It sucks, but it is the reality.

Now your losses at Video Poker and blackjack seem incredibly high. I have run very sour myself (400,000 hands of JoB without a royal) but my losses were no where near yours. 52 royals in the next 2,000,000 hands to bring me back to just above even for the two year period. 9/6 progressive machine I played like a job until they finally removed the bank.

In blackjack it is very hard to lose 10 bets every half hour. The loss of 17 hands in a row is just brutal. I can remember losing 12 in a row and that was very demoralizing. I was thinking I may run a model where you stand on anything 12 or above and I do not think you would lose 20 bets per hour. Be tough to lose that much even if you just stood on your first two cards without looking at them. I will run that model also.

You are definitely a statistical outlier.

Check your basic strategy and make sure you are playing perfectly. If things persist, make sure you are playing in a casino that is dealing a fair game.

I have always had a gambling partner and that helps me see when I am running bad and gives me somebody to bounce things off before I go completely insane.
You need a new lucky hat.

Thanks for posting. It is always easy for winners to post. I also had a bad year. My resolution for the new year is "don't be stupid", which translates to don't chase a loss, and cash out when I'm ahead. It really is hard to walk away sometimes.
It might sound strange, but just maybe you are trying too hard and taking it too seriously.

I really like your last sentence about
"hanging with friends, drinking beer, eating food, seeing sites, catching shows".
I think that's exactly what you need to do ....... I'd also add the pool and fitness center to your list.

Then later, if you DO decide to gamble, there won't be as much pressure,
because you've already had fun, ...... already experienced some enjoyable stress-free vacation activities.
..... and if by chance you do experience any losing sessions, they won't be as stressful because you've already won.


Rick
I came to this reality of winning/playing you now are having after a few trips a few years ago. I have only been to vegas about 12 times since my first trip in 2003. I also think that the makers of the video machines hire accuaries that study numbers and patterns and then scour the blogs and message boards to follow stories and players theories and playing habits and draw the software controls on the outcome of all their findings. Same type of thinking with all the self help winning books buy into the thought let people believe in the thought you can win after so many dealings pulls and hands played and the casino comes out the winner. Doesn't matter how much bet you play it's all just dumb blind luck. Best odds of winning are at your local bingo hall, only so many play, so many book/cards computers can be sold and you have to have a winner in every game. Except for the progresssive games being offered during a bingo session, you just do not know how many states or people you are playing against. At least the ones being offered in Michigan bingo halls and the progressives originate out of vegas somewhere. I still want to go to vegas but the reason behind it is to see and do and not much gamble. It is a good bang for the dollar compared to most places. Also to absorb all the sun for some reason it really energizes me!
tennis_bum, I feel your pain.
My tale is similar to yours.
Quit playing Poker after the Moneymaker effect took hold and every DB thought they were the next Moneymaker.
BJ, Gave it up after too many sessions like yours.
Today I'am experiencing a VP run like you are having. (I play 9/6JOB,8/5BP and 9/6DD pretty good and carry the cards with me when in doubt)
Last trip after 6000 hands and no 4oak I stopped with the VP and played slots. I lost less money(still lost) but had a better time.

Next trip I'am doing a table buy in every day BJ,LIR and 3CP.Lose half and move on, double and move on.
Do a buy in on VP lose half and move on, double and move on
Thinking of trying a couple of low buy in Poker tournaments.

Get an AlanLeroy Martini holder and I know I won't worry about the losing(at least until the next day)
Find a lucky hat.
TB, I know you were waiting with baited breath for advice from yours truly.

I don't like giving out my pearls of wisdom to just anybody. However...

You obviously are not drinking enough when you gamble.

Keep your eyes on the game and not the cocktail waitress when she leans over to straighten her nylons.

If there's a person standing behind you when you are playing, always ask for their advice.

Following CLV around will always pay dividends. She welcomes people standing behind her when she plays.

If you want more of this kind of inside info PM me and I'll be glad to oblige.

Hey, I'm here for you!
Thanks for the report and your musings!!!! I used to go to Vegas to gamble. Now with so many casino options open everywhere, this is not the case. We get a car always, ride around and see the sights, stop in odd little places and have a drink or two, soak in the locals - some are quite unusual if you take a ride into Arizona!! I love the sun and the weather. I love the desert scenery. Gambling is just something that's an add on to my trip. I am a winner everytime!

It is amazing how your luck changes when you change your focus. Good luck to you.
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