115,000 Deposits on the Model 3 in first day.

DonDiego drives a 16-year-old Subaru Impreza Sport which is usually dirty and sustained some damage to the paint in a severe cold-snap a few years ago. Nonetheless it still drives well. And the hatchback design provides excellent cargo space for transporting garden supplies like topsoil, implements, and manure.

DonDiego suspects that it'll go just about anywhere a Tesla Model 3 can go, . . . except perhaps some Country Club parking lots, where it is unlikely DonDiego would find himself anyway.
"My Mazda gets about 35 miles on the highway and that trip would use at least 250 gallons of gas. It's easier to find an electrical charger in Manhattan than to find a gas station."

Another person with a gas car but loves electric cars.

While there aren't many gas stations in Manhattan I don't see many charging stations. I did find one on west 42nd street and the charging price was equiv to $5 gallon of gas
Again, you are comparing the Volt and leaf to a Tesla. A car that has a 50 mile range to one with five times that, and which uses a completely separate network.
Tesla has spent billions of dollars on its supercharger network, and has a separate Destination network. When on the road, most people look to charge when it gets to about 50% charge, so every 125 miles or so. The 85w takes 20 minutes to go from half to full. The 60w takes 30 minutes. Time enough to use the restroom and grab a bite to eat. When it's time for dinner, you can drive further since you'll be eating longer. It's more time consuming than filling your tank every three hundred miles, but it's free.
On the east coast, you can find a charger at just about every other rest stop. By 2017, they'll be at almost every one.
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DonDiego drives a 16-year-old Subaru Impreza Sport which is usually dirty and sustained some damage to the paint in a severe cold-snap a few years ago. Nonetheless it still drives well. And the hatchback design provides excellent cargo space for transporting garden supplies like topsoil, implements, and manure.

DonDiego suspects that it'll go just about anywhere a Tesla Model 3 can go, . . . except perhaps some Country Club parking lots, where it is unlikely DonDiego would find himself anyway.


Is Double D claiming the valets don't park his car out front with the Rolls Royces, Bentleys and the Mercedes?

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"My Mazda gets about 35 miles on the highway and that trip would use at least 250 gallons of gas. It's easier to find an electrical charger in Manhattan than to find a gas station."

Another person with a gas car but loves electric cars.

While there aren't many gas stations in Manhattan I don't see many charging stations. I did find one on west 42nd street and the charging price was equiv to $5 gallon of gas




Tesla has three free charging stations in Manhattan.
I sold my S when it looked like I'd be living in my Co-op fulltime, without access to a garage and a charger.
I'm about 6,000th in line for the E. As I expect to make the almost 3,000 mile one way trip from Vegas to Long Island two to four times a year, the E will save me well over a grand per year. When gas prices return to the $3-$4 range, it'll be double that.

Boiler has no issues with electric cars. He does, however, take issue with mandated subsidies, both direct and indirect, for electric cars. Auto companies sell high mileage and electric cars at a discount in order to meet governmental standards for minimum average mileage numbers. Let's understand that these subsidies are in addition to the $7000 to $10,000 total state and federal subsidies that everyone talks about.

This is one more example of hidden subsidies, in this case, being paid for by customers purchasing low mileage vehicles.


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Shhhhh ! Electric cars are a very sore subject around here - especially that pesky Chevy Volt. Its all just a big government, liberal science fiction.... and you cant run a car with a windmill, silly !

But just between you and me, the new Tesla sounds like its going to be a serious player. They will need to prove they can manufacture them fast enough to meet demand - a problem they've struggled with so far. Maybe that giga-factory in Reno will help on that front.


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Is Double D claiming the valets don't park his car out front with the Rolls Royces, Bentleys and the Mercedes?
If by "valets" Roulette Man is referring to them there guys what park one's car and expect a tip, . . . yes, valets do not park DonDiego's car.

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Boiler has no issues with electric cars. He does, however, take issue with mandated subsidies, both direct and indirect, for electric cars. Auto companies sell high mileage and electric cars at a discount in order to meet governmental standards for minimum average mileage numbers. Let's understand that these subsidies are in addition to the $7000 to $10,000 total state and federal subsidies that everyone talks about.
This is one more example of hidden subsidies, in this case, being paid for by customers purchasing low mileage vehicles.

DonDiego concurs with Boilerman precisely.
The first Volt was a pretty lousy car. Heckfire , . . . poor old DonDiego can name lots of lousy gasoline and diesel powered cars. But he doesn't object to them; let the market sort it all out.
As Boilerman, what DonDiego did object to was Government bailouts and subsidies which interfere with the mechanism of the free-economic-markets, . . . or at least relatively free, . . . which better determine what survives in the marketplace than do Government bureaucrats.
What he said.


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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Boiler has no issues with electric cars. He does, however, take issue with mandated subsidies, both direct and indirect, for electric cars. Auto companies sell high mileage and electric cars at a discount in order to meet governmental standards for minimum average mileage numbers. Let's understand that these subsidies are in addition to the $7000 to $10,000 total state and federal subsidies that everyone talks about.
This is one more example of hidden subsidies, in this case, being paid for by customers purchasing low mileage vehicles.

DonDiego concurs with Boilerman precisely.
The first Volt was a pretty lousy car. Heckfire , . . . poor old DonDiego can name lots of lousy gasoline and diesel powered cars. But he doesn't object to them; let the market sort it all out.
As Boilerman, what DonDiego did object to was Government bailouts and subsidies which interfere with the mechanism of the free-economic-markets, . . . or at least relatively free, . . . which better determine what survives in the marketplace than do Government bureaucrats.


How well does the AC work on Teslas? Does running the AC significantly shorten the range?
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