2014***ObamaCare***2014

DonDiego suggests this post initiate a new, improved ObamaCare thread to ring in the New Year.

Perhaps posters can post facts and opinions on the ACA and its implementation in a more congenial fashion with the new beginning signified by the turning of the calendar.
And, hopefully, with less rancor, animosity, and especially insults and name-calling.
Or not.

Anyway, for DonDiego's sake try to keep the posts entertaining.


So, . . .it looks like "in a letter to Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, 11 State Attorneys General claim the Obama administration is breaking the law by repeatedly making changes to ObamaCare without going through Congress. The attorneys general specifically criticize President Obama's executive action that allowed insurance companies to keep offering health plans that had been canceled for not meeting ObamaCare's more rigorous standards.
Republicans have often criticized the administration for making changes to the law after the fact. Other switches included the decision to delay the employer insurance mandate for a year, something many lawmakers said should have required a congressional vote.
etc., etc., etc"
Ref: The Hill

So what do posters think?
Can a President just change provisions in a Law passed by Congress, like ignoring/delaying dates explicitly stated in the Law to implement provisions of the Law? Congress did give the Executive 3 years to prepare for these specified actions.
Or not?

Anyway, . . . Happy New ObamaYear !

11 Republican Attorneys General, including Ken Cuccinelli, have written a letter to the White House? A letter? With a stamp and everything? Wow, they must really feel strongly about this.

What could be next, printing up some t-shirts with snarky phrases?

Why do you think the other 39 Attorneys General, including 13 more Republicans, didn't join those 11?

Judges render verdict, not GOP lawyers.

I believe there were far more than 11 GOP Attorney Generals who said the entire law was unconstitutional. Anyone remember how that turned out?

Did the letter say anything about Death Panels?

I think they should have had an election after the presidents first term to see how many agree with his ideas. Oh never mind they did. I wonder how that turned out. Some people just can't let it go and move on. Many people here shouldn't be wasting their time writing comments that maybe 100 people will read, they should get involved and be active in their party and find a viable candidate that stands a chance in the next election, not some Tea Party person who is ultra conservative.

It was hilarious after Obama was reelected and members of the Tea Party said they lost because the GOP wasn't conservative enough.

Another year another horror story:

A tip of the hat to DD for starting a new thread. I request the old one be closed so as to not clutter up the forum.

Here is the entire quote

"For many people, the “affordable” part of the Affordable Care Act risks being a cruel joke. The cheapest plan available to a 60-year-old couple making $65,000 a year in Hartford, Conn., will cost $11,800 in annual premiums. And their deductible will be $12,600. If both become seriously ill, they might have to pay almost $25,000 in a single year. (Pre-Obamacare, they could have bought insurance that was cheaper but much worse, potentially with unlimited out-of-pocket costs.)"

"And yet — I would be remiss if I didn’t say this — Obamacare is a godsend. My friend Donna Smith, who was forced to move into her daughter’s spare room at age 52 because health problems bankrupted her and her husband, Larry, now has cancer again. As she undergoes treatment, at least she won’t be in terror of losing coverage and becoming uninsurable. Under Obamacare, her premium has been cut in half, to $456 per month. "

Here is the whole op-ed https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/01/opinion/moore-the-obamacare-we-deserve.html?_r=1&

I never said there weren't people that benefit from it there are a few, but most don't. It is a very well balanced article and I suggest everyone read it. His overall verdict was that Obamacare is awful.

Lots of liberals, apparently including Michael Moore, don't like Obamacare. However, I'm not aware of any liberals that don't find it a huge improvement from the terrible system that predated it.

It's amazingly disingenuous for malibber2 to not mention that while Moore considers Obamacare to be "awful", he also considers it "a godsend".

Congrats to Tutontow for exposing malibber2 dishonesty about Moore's true views.

Yes, he saved you the embarrassment - of telling me how I was wrong the couple that makes 65k a year could end up paying 25k a year for healthcare.