ACES and FACES my new favorite VP game

I played bonus poker Saturday night and did fairly well with a modest profit and gaining about 10-thou tier points. It was 8/5 bonus which is supposed to have 99.2% according to Grochowski's book, plus my tier points will add about $100 in bounce back plus whatever I get in free play as a result in future promotions. Hit quad aces twice which were my only W2Gs ($2,000) each.

When I got home I read up on my Bonus strategy and in his book, Grochowski talked about the version of Bonus called Aces and Faces where the bigger payoffs are on quad jacks, queens, and kings instead of 2, 3, 4 and since you are likely to hold a single face card the payback is 99.5%.

I played Aces and Faces last night, adding about another 10K in tier score, and had another modest profit ($300) on the night plus about another $100 on bounce back money. I love this game. And I played it correctly -- even following correct strategy which calls for holding a full house with three aces (which is a sin when playing DDB).

But Grochowski says the game is relatively rare. I never saw it before. Is it in Vegas?

And on the ride home, Slapinfunk and I were discussing the bonus paytable at Caesars and we recall that it was 7/5 and not 8/5.

Harrah's Tunica has 8/5 Aces and Faces in $1 and $2 and maybe $5. That was actually the game I was playing in the other thread where they did not record my 2400 tier worth of play. It's a good game. a little better than regular bonus because you would never hold a single 3, but you may often hold a single K.

My very very favorite is a version of Bonus where all quads pay 175.

Once upon a time there was a group of casinos called the "Grand" casinos. As far as I know they started out in Mississippi and expanded. Eventually they were bought out by Harrahs.

They had a couple of paytables that they put in all their casinos which, at the time, were unique to the Grands. One of these was Aces and Faces. As far as I can tell, once the Grands were bought out they no longer kept the exclusive ownership of the paytables and you can find Aces and Faces in many casinos. But you find them most often in the casinos that were Grands at one time.

PS. One other exclusive paytable the Grands had was OEJs.

I believe Palms may have A/F but probably not the better paytables. Tuscany used to have the good paytables but they were eventually removed.

I don't think the ER of Aces and Faces is 99.5%
More like 99.3, just slightly better then regular BP
While you might find the game in Vegas, it won't be full pay, usually it's only 6/5
BTW, there are also Double Bonus Aces and Faces, and even Double Double Bonus Aces and Faces

Just quoted Grochowski's book for the 99.5%

Does he give the full pay table in the book?
Maybe the SF payout is higher?
1-2-3-4-5-8-25-40-80-50-800 BPAF is 99.26%

he says same paytable as traditional 8/5 bonus, only with the JQK getting the big quad payoffs. when I get home I will check the book again. On the road right now.

From Grochowski's The Video Poker Answer Book pages 80-81:

Aces and Faces 99.5%
Full pay bonus 99.2%

"That's because we hold single Jacks, Queens or Kings and will occasionally luck into four of a kind...."

Pay Table for Bonus
royal 250 for 1
SF 50
AAAA 80
quad 2, 3, 4 40
other quads 25 (this was edited, originally I wrote "50" in error)
full house 8
flush 5
straight 4
trips 3
two pair 2
jacks or better 1

"With expert strategy, it returns 99.2 percent in the long run."

You sure about the "Other Quads" Shouldn't that be 25? 5 x 25 = 125.... 5 x 50 = 250 (which would be quads in DDB).

8/5 A/F is 99.26%
9/7 Double A/F is 99.24%
9/6 DD A/F is 99.46%.