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IndyBoilerman
IndyBoilerman
Nov 11, 2016
7:44pm
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Obama, through executive order, made huge changes to the program. Apparently Liberals support this presidential power, and would support Trumps authority to just change the plan. With a wave of the hand..............just as Obama did.


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There will be a compromise, you need 60 Senators to over turn, time will tell.


pjstroh
pjstroh
Nov 11, 2016
9:46pm
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After 8 years of Trump, Boilerman, and republican crybabies in Congress wailing about Obamas executive orders you are going to see Trump issue about 20 of them within a week of taking office. there will be a huge change of heart occurring.

Don't worry...I won't get as upset as they all did. I don't have two sets of standards or understandings of the constitution based on who is in power.
alanleroyII
alanleroyII
Nov 11, 2016
10:28pm
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Originally posted by: malibber2
No matter what he does with it, he says he wants to keep it guaranteed issue and allow kids to stay on it until they are 26.
Trump has always stated that pre-existing conditions must be covered by health insurance. We didn't need the ACA to do that.

alanleroyII
alanleroyII
Nov 11, 2016
11:15pm
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Originally posted by: billryan
I've never understood how the Federal Government permitting insurance companies to operate across state lines jibed with the rights call for more power to be given to the state level.
Because then it falls under the Commerce clause. The Congress shall have Power... To regulate Commerce...among the several States. The states could continue to regulate insurance that operates completely within their borders.


IndyBoilerman
IndyBoilerman
Nov 11, 2016
11:26pm
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Boiler said a few things a long time ago, and I'll remind PJ. I argued long long ago that the way to beat the Democrats in the presidential election was to get ugly, dirty, nasty, and immature.................just as the Democrats have done successfully for years.

Boiler also argued that when the Democrats skirt the Constitution, when the Democrats legislate from the bench, that the only prudent option for the GOP is to do the same.

During Trump's tenure. I would like a constitutional amendment passed, making it far more difficult for future presidents to utilize executive orders. The second thing that I want, until this amendment is passed, is for Trump to ram things through just as Obama has. The way to fight dirty pool is with dirty pool, until that amendment is passed.

Enjoy.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
After 8 years of Trump, Boilerman, and republican crybabies in Congress wailing about Obamas executive orders you are going to see Trump issue about 20 of them within a week of taking office. there will be a huge change of heart occurring.

Don't worry...I won't get as upset as they all did. I don't have two sets of standards or understandings of the constitution based on who is in power.


malibber2
malibber2
Nov 11, 2016
11:41pm
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: malibber2
No matter what he does with it, he says he wants to keep it guaranteed issue and allow kids to stay on it until they are 26.
Trump has always stated that pre-existing conditions must be covered by health insurance. We didn't need the ACA to do that.


The reality is for-profit insurance companies don’t want to insure people with pre-existing conditions, people that live in rural areas, (because there isn’t sufficient competition among service providers) and even in urban areas where there is a lack of competition. There is simply no profit in doing so. A lot of Republicans and some Democrats don’t grasp that fundamental concept. Namely, for-profit Insurance companies don’t want to insure probably close to 50% of the population on any type of individual (non-group) policy.

While it is true you don’t need to do it the way the ACA does, you have to come up with a way to provide coverage for those folks that the insurance companies don’t want to provide coverage for, and that is very expensive. Study after study shows the least expensive way to do this is single-payer. My problem with the ACA was that it tried to preserve this private for-profit insurance scheme when that system had already failed. Mathematically, given current health care costs, there is no way to set-up a for-profit system with guaranteed issue health insurance without something similar to the ACA because the premiums required to make the policies actuarially sound would be affordable to only the top 5-10% of the population.
alanleroyII
alanleroyII
Nov 11, 2016
11:55pm
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Originally posted by: pjstroh


- Protection for pre-existing conditions will come with an UnAmerican mandate for everyone to buy insurance. Its fiscally impossible to have that protection without the mandate.
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I'm not so sure about that. Prior to the HIPPA act, Health Insurers were not required to insure new Group Members with pre-existing conditions. When that was enacted, there wasn't a mandate to require all employers to provide Group Insurance. The group insurance market didn't collapse either.

We should have amended HIPPA to require Group Health insurers to offer individual plans without regard to pre-existing conditions. Then, the costs of the sick and infirm would be spread among all Group policies with no individual mandate. Maybe if healthy individuals who can afford it still refuse to sign up for health insurance, they can't get medical treatment without paying for it at the time of service.

Of course the whole issue of affordability and how to cover those who really can't afford insurance are different topics entirely.

malibber2
malibber2
Nov 11, 2016
11:58pm
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: billryan
I've never understood how the Federal Government permitting insurance companies to operate across state lines jibed with the rights call for more power to be given to the state level.
Because then it falls under the Commerce clause. The Congress shall have Power... To regulate Commerce...among the several States. The states could continue to regulate insurance that operates completely within their borders.


That is not how the commerce clause works. Once the Feds take over an area under the Commerce Clause, the individual states can no longer regulate in that area because any state regulation would be an undue burden on Interstate Commerce. The concept is referred to as preemption. Selling health insurance across state lines would legally speaking be the Federalization of the health insurance industry.
alanleroyII
alanleroyII
Nov 12, 2016
12:05am
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Originally posted by: malibber2
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: malibber2
No matter what he does with it, he says he wants to keep it guaranteed issue and allow kids to stay on it until they are 26.
Trump has always stated that pre-existing conditions must be covered by health insurance. We didn't need the ACA to do that.


The reality is for-profit insurance companies don’t want to insure people with pre-existing conditions, people that live in rural areas, (because there isn’t sufficient competition among service providers) and even in urban areas where there is a lack of competition. .


You cant always get what you want
malibber2
malibber2
Nov 12, 2016
12:18am
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: malibber2
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: malibber2
No matter what he does with it, he says he wants to keep it guaranteed issue and allow kids to stay on it until they are 26.
Trump has always stated that pre-existing conditions must be covered by health insurance. We didn't need the ACA to do that.


The reality is for-profit insurance companies don’t want to insure people with pre-existing conditions, people that live in rural areas, (because there isn’t sufficient competition among service providers) and even in urban areas where there is a lack of competition. .


You cant always get what you want


As long as Republicans are willing to take ownership of all the healthcare systems failures under the banner of Trumpcare, I am all for it. Go ahead, and try to run for reelection on cancelling the insurance of 20 million people, hospitals all across the country going bankrupt and group insurance premiums spiralling out of control. Oh, and you officially have come out of the closet as an anarchist.
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