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Originally posted by: alanleroy
This is absolutely not a 'Death Panel Process'. Just like my choice to have a living will is not a death panel. This is an individual CHOICE based on MONEY. Democrats wanted 'End of Life Counseling'. Like that's going to make a dent in the problem. Republicans feared 'Death Panels' where the 'committee gets to choose who lives and dies'. Who cares what they think?
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You seem to imply that you're open the concept, but are afraid the Big Bad Republican Right would poo poo it. Fuck them. Let's just do what right.
Originally posted by: alanleroy
This is absolutely not a 'Death Panel Process'. Just like my choice to have a living will is not a death panel. This is an individual CHOICE based on MONEY. Democrats wanted 'End of Life Counseling'. Like that's going to make a dent in the problem. Republicans feared 'Death Panels' where the 'committee gets to choose who lives and dies'. Who cares what they think?
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You seem to imply that you're open the concept, but are afraid the Big Bad Republican Right would poo poo it. Fuck them. Let's just do what right.
I share your frustration.
It may be helpful for us to remember what Democrats proposed to include in Obamacare in 2009. For the first time, Medicare would pay for doctors' appointments for patients to discuss living wills, health care directives and other end-of-life issues. The appointments were optional, and the AARP supported the measure. That's it.
What we then had was the GOP running wild with allegations that President Obama and the Democrats were creating "death panels". Sarah Palin, Betsy McCaughey, Virginia Foxx, Chuck Grassley, Newt Gingrich, and unknown more of their sick ilk they all whipped up right-wing hysteria with the bullshit claim that the President and his party intended to just kill sick people in order to save money. I remember, and that's exactly what they were doing.
Who cares what the GOP thinks? I do, because the country needs the cooperation of both parties to get stuff done. It's very rare for one party to get the fragile degree of control (President, Senate, Congress) the Dems had for about twenty weeks in 2009 and 2010. I don't think today's GOP is capable of getting to 60 Senate votes ever, and the Dems are unlikely to do again for some time. We need them to work together, and so we need to care what each side's approach is.
You're not going to get the nonrevokable DNR insurance discounts you want until we have a sea change in the GOP's demagogic approach to end-of-life care. That's just reality.
It may be helpful for us to remember what Democrats proposed to include in Obamacare in 2009. For the first time, Medicare would pay for doctors' appointments for patients to discuss living wills, health care directives and other end-of-life issues. The appointments were optional, and the AARP supported the measure. That's it.
What we then had was the GOP running wild with allegations that President Obama and the Democrats were creating "death panels". Sarah Palin, Betsy McCaughey, Virginia Foxx, Chuck Grassley, Newt Gingrich, and unknown more of their sick ilk they all whipped up right-wing hysteria with the bullshit claim that the President and his party intended to just kill sick people in order to save money. I remember, and that's exactly what they were doing.
Who cares what the GOP thinks? I do, because the country needs the cooperation of both parties to get stuff done. It's very rare for one party to get the fragile degree of control (President, Senate, Congress) the Dems had for about twenty weeks in 2009 and 2010. I don't think today's GOP is capable of getting to 60 Senate votes ever, and the Dems are unlikely to do again for some time. We need them to work together, and so we need to care what each side's approach is.
You're not going to get the nonrevokable DNR insurance discounts you want until we have a sea change in the GOP's demagogic approach to end-of-life care. That's just reality.