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Anyone here tasted Moonshine (white lightening)?

surf87

Jan 6, 2016
1:13pm

The closest thing that I've tried to moonshine is drinking legal 151 proof Bacardi. It will literally catch on fire if you put a match to it. Swallowing 151 Bacardi is like drinking gasoline, I suppose but I can't say that I've drank gasoline. Moonshine must be similar to 151 Bacardi in that it will catch on fire if exposed to a flame.

I like to watch Moonshine the TV show every so often with JimTom, Tim, tickle (haven't seen him lately), and when they sample their product I wish I could try some as well.

BTW jatki for some reason when ever I see tickle on the TV show it often conjours up images of what jatki might resemble (lol), sorry but I don't know why (no offense).

snidely333

Jan 6, 2016
1:32pm

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
For decades I've sold pure grain ethyl alcohol (vodka) for industrial use. We bring in 26,000 gallon railcars of "beverage grade" juice, and blend it with "denaturants" to make the stuff undrinkable. We buy this corn based ethanol at 200 proof, and generally sold it that way plus the denaturants. It was exceptionally well controlled, with all access points under lock and key.................so no sneaking any out the door for a party.

We didn't pay excise tax on this product since it was not to be consumed as a beverage, otherwise the federal tax on the railcar would be about $850,000, while the cost of the ethanol is only about $45,000. Our supplier is the exclusive producer of Skyy Vodka, for example, and Skyy does have to pay $900,000 (including taxes) for the same car that we buy for $45,000. Yep, the federal taxes are about 20 times the cost of the product. State excise taxes on booze varies, with Washington being the highest, as I recall. In the state of Washington, excise taxes add an additional $2.5 million to cost of that railcar, making the total excise taxes 75 times more than the cost of the ethanol. Think of that next time you have a drink, Washington!

One railcar is enough booze that, after being "deproofed", (cut with water) one could make 1,000,000 people 5.5 drinks each. Thirsty?

My company use ethanol as a solvent in pharmaceuticals production. Our stuff is not denatured. We use a lot of it. It creates fire/explosion concerns. It has the tax sticker on it but I don't think we pay it.

Boilerman

Jan 6, 2016
9:26pm

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The great majority of vodka that is made within the US is made almost exclusively with corn. Vodka can be made with various starchy sources, and since the US is the World's largest corn grower, we make vodka with corn. It is all made to 200 proof, and cut with water to reach the desired proof...............usually 80 proof.

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Originally posted by: jatki99

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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
For decades I've sold pure grain ethyl alcohol (vodka) for industrial use. We bring in 26,000 gallon railcars of "beverage grade" juice, and blend it with "denaturants" to make the stuff undrinkable. We buy this corn based ethanol at 200 proof, and generally sold it that way plus the denaturants. It was exceptionally well controlled, with all access points under lock and key.................so no sneaking any out the door for a party.

We didn't pay excise tax on this product since it was not to be consumed as a beverage, otherwise the federal tax on the railcar would be about $850,000, while the cost of the ethanol is only about $45,000. Our supplier is the exclusive producer of Skyy Vodka, for example, and Skyy does have to pay $900,000 (including taxes) for the same car that we buy for $45,000. Yep, the federal taxes are about 20 times the cost of the product. State excise taxes on booze varies, with Washington being the highest, as I recall. In the state of Washington, excise taxes add an additional $2.5 million to cost of that railcar, making the total excise taxes 75 times more than the cost of the ethanol. Think of that next time you have a drink, Washington!

One railcar is enough booze that, after being "deproofed", (cut with water) one could make 1,000,000 people 5.5 drinks each. Thirsty?

Vodka's made from potatoes, moonshine is from mash. I'm not sure what you sell Boiler, but vodka IS NOT watered down shine.

Boilerman

Jan 6, 2016
9:46pm

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Only 1% of the World's vodka comes from potatoes, while the great majority comes from Rye, Wheat and Corn. Go to any large scale US corn processing plant (ADM, Tate and Lyle, Midwest Grain, etc), and they produce two grades of ethanol from corn. Fuel grade that is blended with our gasoline, and beverage grade which we consume. They sell beverage grade as industrial grade, since this product is handled and trucked in non-food grade equipment.

Jatki, what I sell is 200 proof ethyl alcohol. Vodka is 80 proof ethyl alcohol. The only difference is the water content. My supplier also supplies Smirnoff, Skyy, and others.

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Originally posted by: jatki99

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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
For decades I've sold pure grain ethyl alcohol (vodka) for industrial use. We bring in 26,000 gallon railcars of "beverage grade" juice, and blend it with "denaturants" to make the stuff undrinkable. We buy this corn based ethanol at 200 proof, and generally sold it that way plus the denaturants. It was exceptionally well controlled, with all access points under lock and key.................so no sneaking any out the door for a party.

We didn't pay excise tax on this product since it was not to be consumed as a beverage, otherwise the federal tax on the railcar would be about $850,000, while the cost of the ethanol is only about $45,000. Our supplier is the exclusive producer of Skyy Vodka, for example, and Skyy does have to pay $900,000 (including taxes) for the same car that we buy for $45,000. Yep, the federal taxes are about 20 times the cost of the product. State excise taxes on booze varies, with Washington being the highest, as I recall. In the state of Washington, excise taxes add an additional $2.5 million to cost of that railcar, making the total excise taxes 75 times more than the cost of the ethanol. Think of that next time you have a drink, Washington!

One railcar is enough booze that, after being "deproofed", (cut with water) one could make 1,000,000 people 5.5 drinks each. Thirsty?

Vodka's made from potatoes, moonshine is from mash. I'm not sure what you sell Boiler, but vodka IS NOT watered down shine.

Boilerman

Jan 6, 2016
10:12pm

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Lighter fluid is Odorless Mineral Spirits, and it is produced at an oil refinery with further downstream distillation capabilities. Kerosine is also a crude oil derivative, and is produced at the same oil refinery. In contrast, most US produced vodka is ethanol coming from corn processing plants.

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Originally posted by: ddd228
Never had I had real moon shine. Made by the locals. It is FIRE as a liquid state,indeed!
Liter fluid/kerosene drink from HELL.
We used to spike our "coke" with a bit of Everclear in the non-alchohol titty bars in Seattle.
It was fun until we made WAY too much noise and we were busted.
"Hey what did you put in here,Vodka?"
"No,Everclear".
We were shuffeled out the door.
190 proof was very effective.
My 'vegas buddy brought some home from Nevada and dropped on the street and it evaporated in 30 seconds. POOF!

Boilerman

Jan 6, 2016
10:20pm

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You are correct that your company would not be paying excise tax on this ethanol. We do sell pure ethanol for pharma used, although this is a very small amount of our ethanol business.

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Originally posted by: snidely333

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
For decades I've sold pure grain ethyl alcohol (vodka) for industrial use. We bring in 26,000 gallon railcars of "beverage grade" juice, and blend it with "denaturants" to make the stuff undrinkable. We buy this corn based ethanol at 200 proof, and generally sold it that way plus the denaturants. It was exceptionally well controlled, with all access points under lock and key.................so no sneaking any out the door for a party.

We didn't pay excise tax on this product since it was not to be consumed as a beverage, otherwise the federal tax on the railcar would be about $850,000, while the cost of the ethanol is only about $45,000. Our supplier is the exclusive producer of Skyy Vodka, for example, and Skyy does have to pay $900,000 (including taxes) for the same car that we buy for $45,000. Yep, the federal taxes are about 20 times the cost of the product. State excise taxes on booze varies, with Washington being the highest, as I recall. In the state of Washington, excise taxes add an additional $2.5 million to cost of that railcar, making the total excise taxes 75 times more than the cost of the ethanol. Think of that next time you have a drink, Washington!

One railcar is enough booze that, after being "deproofed", (cut with water) one could make 1,000,000 people 5.5 drinks each. Thirsty?

Don

Jan 6, 2016
11:19pm

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Originally posted by: surf87
Anyone here tasted Moonshine (white lightening)?

All the liquor stores hereabouts sell "moonshine" nowadays.
Of course it ain't the real thing, . . . it's licensed and taxed and all that legal mumbo-jumbo, . . . . not like when Popcorn Sutton was makin' real moonshine for over 40 years o'er there in Maggie Valley. Why, heck fire, . . . Popcorn's widow done partnered up with Hank William's Jr. and made a deal to sell "Popcorn Sutton's Tennessee White Whiskey" legal and all. What is the World comin' to?

Nonetheless, poor old DonDiego has tasted true "white lightening" one time. Back before the turn of the last century DonDiego visited his ancestral homeland Ireland. He actually found and stood upon the land that his ancestors farmed right next to a humongous cow browsing the field, . . . DonDiego stood next to the cow, not his ancestors.
But DonDiego digresses.

Before he got to County Donegal where his forbears resided he spent a few days on the Dingle Peninsula. And seeking a highpoint to take some photographs he found himself in a little residential neighborhood. And a gentleman came out of his cottage to greet DonDiego, . . . or maybe to see what he was up to. Either way, he and DonDiego commenced to chat, . . . and as was often the case the topic turned to relatives in Ameriky, . . . turned out he had relatives in Chicago.
After a bit of pleasantries the fella invited DonDiego into his home for a taste of his "poteen". It seems even nowadays, or at least a few decades ago, the average Irish citizen is still not above avoiding the exorbitant taxes on whiskey by buying real moonshine. He reaches into the cupboard under the kitchen sink and brings out a gallon jug of the stuff. There the two of us shared glasses of absolutely authentic and illegal whiskey. As poor old DonDiego recalls it was perfectly clear and it wasn't particularly flavorful, . . . almost medicinal, in fact, . . . but it did possess some potency.
And it felt great to be committing a felony, . . . or at least a misdemeanor.

n.b [Poteen] was declared legal in 1997, provided its alcohol content was reduced, and now several Irish companies make it and sell it through Dublin pubs and off-licences. The first was Coomara, which in October 2013 sold "wild berry" and "orchard-fruits" poteen to 70 branches of Tesco, marketing it as a cocktail base."
Reference: www.independent.com

What is the World coming to?

jatki

Jan 7, 2016
1:43am

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Only 1% of the World's vodka comes from potatoes, while the great majority comes from Rye, Wheat and Corn. Go to any large scale US corn processing plant (ADM, Tate and Lyle, Midwest Grain, etc), and they produce two grades of ethanol from corn. Fuel grade that is blended with our gasoline, and beverage grade which we consume. They sell beverage grade as industrial grade, since this product is handled and trucked in non-food grade equipment.

Jatki, what I sell is 200 proof ethyl alcohol. Vodka is 80 proof ethyl alcohol. The only difference is the water content. My supplier also supplies Smirnoff, Skyy, and others.

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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
For decades I've sold pure grain ethyl alcohol (vodka) for industrial use. We bring in 26,000 gallon railcars of "beverage grade" juice, and blend it with "denaturants" to make the stuff undrinkable. We buy this corn based ethanol at 200 proof, and generally sold it that way plus the denaturants. It was exceptionally well controlled, with all access points under lock and key.................so no sneaking any out the door for a party.

We didn't pay excise tax on this product since it was not to be consumed as a beverage, otherwise the federal tax on the railcar would be about $850,000, while the cost of the ethanol is only about $45,000. Our supplier is the exclusive producer of Skyy Vodka, for example, and Skyy does have to pay $900,000 (including taxes) for the same car that we buy for $45,000. Yep, the federal taxes are about 20 times the cost of the product. State excise taxes on booze varies, with Washington being the highest, as I recall. In the state of Washington, excise taxes add an additional $2.5 million to cost of that railcar, making the total excise taxes 75 times more than the cost of the ethanol. Think of that next time you have a drink, Washington!

One railcar is enough booze that, after being "deproofed", (cut with water) one could make 1,000,000 people 5.5 drinks each. Thirsty?

Vodka's made from potatoes, moonshine is from mash. I'm not sure what you sell Boiler, but vodka IS NOT watered down shine.

I was mistaken, I just never heard of vodka as watered down moonshine. Learns me to not speak so confidently.

billryan

Jan 7, 2016
2:10am

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Originally posted by: jatki99

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Originally posted by: surf87
I haven't but curious about it. Why not just buy 151 proof Bacardi? Is it smooth? Does it have different flavors such as Apple, peach, or strawberries which adds to its taste? How much is it for a mason jar? Gallon? Etc.?

I'm from W Va so I've had the real thing. It's completely different from the 190 proof Everclear sold in ABC stores (the highest proof allowed). I've never heard of flavored shine but I highly recommend mixing something with it. A shot of moonshine will burn a bit, but everclear will burn the lining out of your stomach, HUGE difference.
I haven't the faintest clue what it costs, someone always brought it to the party and that was a long time ago.

Agree 100%. I spent a summer in Kentucky and while most folks there didn't take to strangers, I met a few friends. Their homemade products were much better than the Everclear sold in stores. As mentioned, the apple pie shine was quite delicious. It's for sipping, not for chasing, imo.
I have not tried the bs white lightning currently popular. My drinking days are coming to an end. A couple beers a month is my strategy these days.

O2bnVegas

Jan 7, 2016
4:41am

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Many years ago, dialysis patients had kidney failure secondary to lead poisoning, secondary to drinking moonshine made in car radiators, as in during prohibition. Some of the radiators were made of lead, others were made of other metal. Lead from the radiators leached into the "moonshine". Lead will kill kidneys. Some "stills" probably also contained lead.

Painters (those who painted houses and the like) were also subject to kidney failure from inhalation of lead in the paint. Or through exposure to the paint through their skin.

Just some history. I doubt that car radiators are used to distill booze anymore.

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