Are drawn cards in video poker already pre determined?

Please, just for my clarification- let's say I have 4 to a royal and I hold them. Then I must draw another card. If I wait 30 seconds to hit draw will I still get the same card that I would have gotten if I had quickly hit the draw button?
It's all in the timing doc. After your initial five cards are dealt, the machine continues "shuffling" the remainder of the deck. Once you hold your four to the royal and hit deal the machine stops shuffling and deals you the next card from the top. So yes waiting thirty seconds will give you a different card then waiting one second.

I agree with EllenMonster on this one.

The machine is always gonna be messin’ wit ya.

You gotta mess back.

nickuwich- Thank you. I am sure that my specific question has probably been answered before but I must have missed the postings that contained the answer.

Before I push any buttons, I bang on the video poker screen 4 times and scream "Monkey". I read in an ancient Chinese video poker manual that this will bring you good luck.



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Originally posted by: fedomalley
robmorrow, you're probably scratching your head on the various replies that you've gotten. The reason as Sue Casey indicated is that this has been discussed ad nauseum on these boards with the conspiracy theory being that once you draw your initial five cards, the next five cards are "underlayed" and when you discard one or more, the next card to replace it is already in place.

The analogy of a little man inside the machine continuously shuffling the remaining 47 cards is silly but works. Once you discard one or more cards, he stops shuffling and deals you the next card(s) to replace your discarded ones.

Sue's explanation is spot on....Ellen Monster, not so much.

Good luck and welcome to the boards!

Dan

"Underlayed" (sic) are also referred to as "shadow" cards. The game has also had a system where once the deal button is hit, the deck quits shuffling, so ten cards in the deck are set. If you discard the third (or first or fourth or what ever) card of the original first 5 dealt, you get the top card on the deck. Discard two (or three or four) cards and you get replacements in the order that they are stacked in the deck. I don't want to get involved in another protracted thread about whether or not this type of VP machine is still in play in Las Vegas, but according to personal friends who work at executive levels in the casinos, slot techs, as well as machine manufacturers, they are.

So, the answer to the OP's question is, you can't know for sure whether or not the timing of hitting the draw button after the first 5 cards are dealt has any affect on the final hand.

Ive also heard that both sequential and continuous shuffle replacement card systems are used. Unless you ask -- and more importantly, unless someone from the casino knows for sure -- you'll never know.

I specifically asked this at Caesars and was told all of their machines are continuous shuffle. I asked at Rincon and they didnt know. I asked at Pechanga and they didnt know. I asked at Morongo and they didnt know.

However, Morongo did have Class 2 VP machines with the little bingo card in the corner. Whats interesting about these Class 2 machines is that if you hold the incorrect card, the machine will change the card to the correct one so that you win according to the 'bingo." this happened to me several times when I first started playing VP and Morongo was loaded with Class 2 machines.

With the various law changes in California, I doubt any Class 2 games exist today.
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Originally posted by: snidely333
I never knew of a Class 2 machine.


We have em all over the state of Washington in the Native Casinos. Another poster is right, you can throw away whatever your hand and the result will be the same, thrown away fullhouses to only to get other fullhouses. The ones that dont have a bingo card here will have a mystery "match card" which if your last card matches the match card it will pay you a set amount. Its all predetermined here in Washington state which sucks.

The Nevada style video poker is the only way to go.
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
The machine is onto poor, old DonDiego as soon as he sits down. DonDiego must be finding machines at which snidely333 has already played.

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Oh, and the button is already sticky too.


DD, your forgetting to give the VP machine its offering of a whatever your drinking. Of course since I've never had a royal, maybe my offering doesn't quite do the trick.

From the players' perspective, it doesn't matter whether the machine "keeps shuffling." But the circuitry is a lot simpler if it does. I.e. "cards" are only "drawn" when they're needed.
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