As Ramadi falls yesterday our President enjoys Twitter

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
The Iraqi army is running out of cities in its own land. That's the result of 10 years of training their troops and a cost of hundreds of billions of dollars from US taxpayers.


Another in a long line of train derailments occurred in America last week...and the Republican Senate responded by cutting funding for that infrastructure. Many of those same people want another surge in Iraq.
While our infrastructure falls apart the Rumsfeld disciples are most concerned about achieving Bush's land of Oz in the Middle East.

The Republican spending platform for 2016: rebuild Iraq and let America fall apart.


PJ, you are forgetting the structure of the Iraq army. For many years under Saddam, it was a one man dictatorship with orders given and the troops either obeyed or died. It takes time and a spine to get rid of the idiots and replace them with officers who would stay around in a firefight. The Iraq government has a great deal to do with the troops doing the high tail it and run like hell.
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Originally posted by: chefantwon
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
The Iraqi army is running out of cities in its own land. That's the result of 10 years of training their troops and a cost of hundreds of billions of dollars from US taxpayers.


Another in a long line of train derailments occurred in America last week...and the Republican Senate responded by cutting funding for that infrastructure. Many of those same people want another surge in Iraq.
While our infrastructure falls apart the Rumsfeld disciples are most concerned about achieving Bush's land of Oz in the Middle East.

The Republican spending platform for 2016: rebuild Iraq and let America fall apart.


PJ, you are forgetting the structure of the Iraq army. For many years under Saddam, it was a one man dictatorship with orders given and the troops either obeyed or died. It takes time and a spine to get rid of the idiots and replace them with officers who would stay around in a firefight. The Iraq government has a great deal to do with the troops doing the high tail it and run like hell.
Colin Powell disagrees:

"The plan the president had approved was not implemented. Instead, Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Ambassador L. Paul Bremer, our man in charge in Iraq, disbanded the Army and fired Baath Party members down to teachers. We eliminated the very officials and institutions we should have been building on, and left thousands of the most highly skilled people in the country jobless and angry—prime recruits for insurgency."
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: hoops2
The United States has NEVER had a problem with governments that oppressed its people...
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The United States has NEVER had a problem with governments that oppressed its people. The United States had a problem with governments that oppressed Standard Oil and United Fruit Company. If Ho had allowed capitalism, the US wouldn't have peeped if he had ordered his military to throw live human beings out of helicopters, just like Kissinger's BFF, Augusto Pinochet.


Typical liberal tripe by forky. If that was truly the case the US would never have supported Israel. Forky is now holding up the communists of Vietnam as humanitarians.

Again, name one true democracy that Russia, china, n. Korea, Iran, Cuba & Venezuela support.
My buddy Pete and his son took Amtrac from Houston to Chicago last year. It cost about 50% more than flying, arrived after 30 hours, and was 3 hours late. The flight time for the same trip is less than three hours. They enjoyed the experience and agreed that it was fun......once. They flew home. Train travel is not cost or time effective vs other methods of travel. Proof is the required government subsidies to survive.

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Originally posted by: hoops2
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Originally posted by: bbking
"The Republican spending platform for 2016: rebuild Iraq and let America fall apart".

Well put.


Where have the republicans said that?

The Amtrak train accident was due to excessive speed, not lack of infrastructure. Other than the northeast, Amtrak rail loses money, due to lack of ridership. There are cheaper more efficient ways to travel.



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Originally posted by: Boilerman
My buddy Pete and his son took Amtrac from Houston to Chicago last year. It cost about 50% more than flying, arrived after 30 hours, and was 3 hours late. The flight time for the same trip is less than three hours. They enjoyed the experience and agreed that it was fun......once. They flew home. Train travel is not cost or time effective vs other methods of travel. Proof is the required government subsidies to survive.

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Originally posted by: hoops2
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Originally posted by: bbking
"The Republican spending platform for 2016: rebuild Iraq and let America fall apart".

Well put.


Where have the republicans said that?

The Amtrak train accident was due to excessive speed, not lack of infrastructure. Other than the northeast, Amtrak rail loses money, due to lack of ridership. There are cheaper more efficient ways to travel.



I'm not surprised that your train travel on our 1930's infrastucture was not ideal. You can take a train from London to Paris and be there in a few hours for way less than the cost of a flight. Thats the result of countries valuing their infrastructure more than Iraq's.



"I'm not surprised that your train travel on our 1930's infrastucture was not ideal. You can take a train from London to Paris and be there in a few hours for way less than the cost of a flight"

pj is making stuff up. A sample of fares for London to Paris travel

From the Eurostar site
Depart Arrive Duration Changes Fare
05:40 09:32 02h 52m Direct $324.00Lowest price fare

From Kayak airfares

Depart Arrive Duration Changes Fare
6pm 8:15 1:15 Non-stop $102

The Acela trains are only 15 years old.



























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Originally posted by: hoops2
"I'm not surprised that your train travel on our 1930's infrastucture was not ideal. You can take a train from London to Paris and be there in a few hours for way less than the cost of a flight"

pj is making stuff up. A sample of fares for London to Paris travel

From the Eurostar site
Depart Arrive Duration Changes Fare
05:40 09:32 02h 52m Direct $324.00Lowest price fare

From Kayak airfares

Depart Arrive Duration Changes Fare
6pm 8:15 1:15 Non-stop $102

The Acela trains are only 15 years old.


PJ posts sources for his information. Hoops hasn't figured out how to do that in 10 years of posting here.

$58 train tickets London to Paris
pj - I did post - pay attention. I went to your link, clicked on a tkt for tomorrow and $163 came up
Government subsidizes air travel far more than it subsidizes rail travel.



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But facts are never a hurdle to the blissfully ignorant.
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Originally posted by: hoops2
pj - I did post - pay attention. I went to your link, clicked on a tkt for tomorrow and $163 came up


next day travel is more expensive in any context....air, rail, rental car.

Normal tickets for the Chunnel train can be had under $60. I know - I've traveled it. And the site backs it up. Plug in future dates.

Its a 2 hour trip between Paris and London on a train that goes well over 200mph. That is the same distance as New York to Washington, DC which takes more than double the time on our 3rd world train system.
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