Vegas Free-for-All - Being "Grubered" about Obamacare

Boilerman

Nov 17, 2014
11:25pm

Conservatives have argued about the total lack of transparency with Obama (not just Obamacare), and Liberals told us we are wrong. After all, "Obama is the most transparent president of all time", they cried.

Let's finally be honest, the Liberals on this site knew all along that the Liberal story of Obamacare was a lie, yet these Liberals fully supported and perpetuated these lies. John Gruber does a fine job of confirming what anyone paying attention, Liberals and Conservatives alike, already knew.

The problems is, most Americans and the vast majority of American Liberals are too ignorant to find the truth. Worst of all, the Liberals who do understand the truth support lying to the public in an effort to hoodwink America into supporting a law that they don't understand.

It'll take a decade, but Obama will be proved to be the most crooked American president in history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G790p0LcgbI

hoops2

Nov 17, 2014
11:35pm

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I disagree, people who are true believers, always believe everything their leader proclaims

pjstroh

Nov 17, 2014
11:42pm

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Originally posted by: hoops2
I disagree, people who are true believers, always believe everything their leader proclaims

I know, right? Thats why the FOX News crowd embraced Gruber's healthcare plan under Mitt Romney and were fighting for its national implementation right up until a Democrat won the White House.

And then that same crowd nominated said Republican for president even as they pretended to hate the plan he pioneered.

Boilerman

Nov 17, 2014
11:53pm

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Originally posted by: hoops2
I disagree, people who are true believers, always believe everything their leader proclaims

Boilerman

Nov 18, 2014
12:00am

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Since there was no discussion on this site about Romney's state healthcare plan, I doubt PJ knows what any of us thought at the time. Personally, I don't recall even thinking about another states decision to redistribute wealth. I'll admit ignorance, however, as I didn't realize until recently that the Massachusetts plan scammed $400 million annually from the Federal government to make it work.

Thankfully, Gruber is now shown on tape talking of the Federal to State funding scam in Massachusetts.

Alas, PJ again changes the subject away from his support of Obama lies..........................lies about anything and everything.

Boilerman

Nov 18, 2014
12:16am

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MSNBC. Watch this outfit's outward amazement on Obama and Gruber, They are not amazed, saddened, or even surprised that Obama lied to us, but they are quite upset, saddened, and surprised about the White House's poor job of spinning these lies. One can certainly only assume after watching this clip, that many at MSNBC fully support Obama's lying to America, but they outwardly are shocked at his poor job of hiding these lies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xvAFoFnpyk

pjstroh

Nov 18, 2014
2:01am

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Gruber (the same dispicable "lying liar and all his lies" ) was the same healthcare advisor to Mitt Romney that Boilerman voted for in 2012. but lets not bring that up. Thats changing the subject and (more importantly) might force Boilerman to confront his own hypocrisy.

Nothing in Obamacare was a lie unless you call a euphemsym a lie...and Boilerman clearly does. Boilerman has lots of definitons for words that conflict with the ones in the dictionary: lie, illegal, criminal, unconstitutional. Take your pick. The ACA was fully published and voted on like any other bill. And the news media spent 6 months tearing apart every detail of it. The fact that an advisor has a cynical (and accurate) depcition of the uninformed AMerican public doesn't make anything in the law a lie.

Gruber's narrative is centered around the public's acceptance of key words over others. Republican advisors like Frank Luntz have made a living doing it for decades. And it works. Case in point: Boilerman cant stand government giveaways when they are called "subsidies"...so Republican leadership will frequently call such giveaways "tax breaks" so Boilerman can sleep better at night. And you'll have a really hard time making Boilerman stomp his feet about it.

hoops2

Nov 18, 2014
2:33am

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he repeatedly calls people stupid and brags about how he was able to steal $400m per year, thanks to his friend ted kennedy

Boilerman

Nov 18, 2014
2:45am

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PJ must know by now that Boiler does not wish for any government insurance program..............be it at a state level or at the federal level. This has never changed. I always chuckle when Liberals call a tax break a "giveaway". The only way one could consider this to be the case is to first assume that all revenue generated within the private sector is under ownership of the Federal government, and it is not the property of the person who held they job for which a company sent a paycheck.

Once again, PJ told us many times that this program would save each family $2500 because that's what Obama told him. We all know that Obama lied (very different than being incorrect). Was PJ hoodwinked, or did PJ wish to perpetuate this lie?

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Gruber (the same dispicable "lying liar and all his lies" ) was the same healthcare advisor to Mitt Romney that Boilerman voted for in 2012. but lets not bring that up. Thats changing the subject and (more importantly) might force Boilerman to confront his own hypocrisy.

Nothing in Obamacare was a lie unless you call a euphemsym a lie...and Boilerman clearly does. Boilerman has lots of definitons for words that conflict with the ones in the dictionary: lie, illegal, criminal, unconstitutional. Take your pick. The ACA was fully published and voted on like any other bill. And the news media spent 6 months tearing apart every detail of it. The fact that an advisor has a cynical (and accurate) depcition of the uninformed AMerican public doesn't make anything in the law a lie.

Gruber's narrative is centered around the public's acceptance of key words over others. Republican advisors like Frank Luntz have made a living doing it for decades. And it works. Case in point: Boilerman cant stand government giveaways when they are called "subsidies"...so Republican leadership will frequently call such giveaways "tax breaks" so Boilerman can sleep better at night. And you'll have a really hard time making Boilerman stomp his feet about it.

Boilerman

Nov 18, 2014
2:50am

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Oh, and Obama now claims to not know Gruber, even though Obama is on tape talking about utilizing Gruber's ideas, calling Gruber a genius, and paying him $6,000,000 in consulting fees for Obamacare. He has worked in small meetings many times with Gruber, but like you and I...........................Obama just heard about all of this on the news. Nope, don't know the guy.

Obama the crook, Obama the liar.

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