Being "Grubered" about Obamacare

They have the equivalent of universal Medicare.
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
They have the equivalent of universal Medicare.


So you think Medicare is not health insurance?
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
They have the equivalent of universal Medicare.


So you think Medicare is not health insurance?


In the sense that there is an entity somewhere that pays medical bills? Yes. Bingo. SLam dunk. Its the government. Thanks! In the sense that it is a contract purchased by a consumer at a cost that configures risk variables, age, and medical history? No. It is a mandatory tax that covers universal healthcare treatment as a public service- not unlike the way taxes cover police protection and fire services here. But if it makes you happy to call a public service "insurance" then be my guest. I'll retract my classification.

Perhaps you can now help Hoops figure out that Hawaii is a state in the US and not a province of Canada.
Better yet, maybe you can help Hoops stay on topic and address the egregious behavior of a US Insurance company that screwed one of its fully paid customers....and why allowing that practice is something US citizens would be better off with
Pj and company always say how great Canadian insurance is, but it looks like it isn't, since it doesn't extend coverage to the US.

A little digging shows that the insurance was from a Canadian insurance company, so pj's argument blaming the US is wrong
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
In the sense that there is an entity somewhere that pays medical bills? Yes. Bingo. SLam dunk. Its the government. Thanks! In the sense that it is a contract purchased by a consumer at a cost that configures risk variables, age, and medical history? No. It is a mandatory tax that covers universal healthcare treatment as a public service- not unlike the way taxes cover police protection and fire services here. But if it makes you happy to call a public service "insurance" then be my guest. I'll retract my classification.


Great! Because you said Canadians don't have health insurance and I said they most certainly do have health insurance. It's just socialized. They even pay premiums and have defined coverage and plans and things like that. Medicare has Co-Pays and Deductible and Premiums too.

Why if you look on US Government's Medicare.Gov web site it even says "Medicare is the federal Health Insurance program for people who are 65 or older".

Then there is the Canadian Government's Health Canada web site that claims:

"Canada's publicly funded health care system is best described as an interlocking set of ten provincial and three territorial Health Insurance plans"

So it looks like those Canadians have Health Insurance after all.
Thanks again, Alan. What would we do without you? And why bother discussing the point of the article when we can have a semantical discussion about the definition of insurance? Thanks for stopping by and lending a hand to the home team.
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Originally posted by: hoops2
A little digging shows that the insurance was from a Canadian insurance company, so pj's argument blaming the US is wrong


blue Cross is a Canadian Company? Who knew?

I think we need the semantics referee to come to the rescue. Alanleroy, can you help us out again? You explained the definition of "insurance" ...now can you explain the definition of "American Company"?

While, we're waiting. Hoops, can you defend the scumbag treatment of any insurance company that would take the premiums only to deny a legitimate claim from a customer? And can you explain why you think such behavior is superior to making that behavior illegal? Because thats the system You've been passionatly arguing we go back to.
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Thanks again, Alan. What would we do without you? And why bother discussing the point of the article when we can have a semantical discussion about the definition of insurance? Thanks for stopping by and lending a hand to the home team.

You're very welcome! No problem! I've decided that rather than add to the political bickering that will never change anyone's opinion, it's better to just start correcting people when they make glaring mistakes in defining the basic things they are arguing about. Luckily, there's lots of low hanging fruit here. I might go for spelling and grammar if I run out of the other stuff....but that's unlikely.

The company was Sasketchewan Blue Cross, which is a Canadien company. You are the one who went off on the case implying it was the American system


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: hoops2
A little digging shows that the insurance was from a Canadian insurance company, so pj's argument blaming the US is wrong


blue Cross is a Canadian Company? Who knew?

I think we need the semantics referee to come to the rescue. Alanleroy, can you help us out again? You explained the definition of "insurance" ...now can you explain the definition of "American Company"?

While, we're waiting. Hoops, can you defend the scumbag treatment of any insurance company that would take the premiums only to deny a legitimate claim from a customer? And can you explain why you think such behavior is superior to making that behavior illegal? Because thats the system You've been passionatly arguing we go back to.


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