Bernie Sanders Takes New Hampshire, . . . sorta, . . .

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
What about Democrats who are legitimately troubled that Senator Sanders may be cheated out of the nomination by super delegates?
What about Republicans who are legitimately troubled that Mister Trump may be cheated out of the nomination by super delegates?
Are they permitted to express their opinions?...
Yes, by all means. But Democrats who are concerned about the Republican process, and Republicans who feign concern over the Democratic process are just phonies.
The LVA Vegas Free-for-All Community is, indeed, fortunate to have forkushV among them to identify that which may be expressed and that which may not be expressed dependent upon their party membership, . . . under penalty of being identified as a "phony".

Umm, . . . what about Socialists? Can they discuss the policies of the Democrat Party, since they are likely to vote for Senator Sanders?
[n.b. The actual Socialist Party USA candidates are Emidio "Mimi" Soltysik (California) for President and Angela Walker (Wisconsin) for Vice President, but DonDiego supposes many members will vote for Senator Sanders.]

Oh, and Independents ? Are they permitted to discuss the activities of any political party, or none?

DonDiego just wants to know the acceptable limits upon his right to free speech.
I have just received a very important postcard from the Fresno County Clerk. As a registered Non Partisan, I have the option to request a vote by mail presidential primary ballot from one of three parties. Democratic. American Independent. Libertarian. I am not allowed to vote as a non-partisan in the Primary for Republican, Green or Peace and Freedom party.

For my June 2016 California Primary I intend to vote for Senator Bernie Sanders. Even though there is much of his philosophy, policies and ideas I don't agree with, I think he would make a better president than Hillary Clinton. I think he is more honest and trustworthy..... We need change...that we can believe in....not a Crony Capitalist love fest in Washington...Not a big donor driven agenda of more of the same.

And....so.....now I believe I have also earned the message board cred to express my opinion of our Democrat primary without being labeled a "two-faced, phony "concern troll". I am an official California voter who is truly concerned about the Democratic party candidate and whether the selection process for that person is fair. I got skin in the game.

And for the record, I think our selection process sucks. These Establishment Biased Super Delegates must go. That's taking the selection out of our hands. You know...We the people. And if there are any other shenanigans here in our primary...rest assured, I'll be watching and reporting.

Finally I'd like to thank the Democratic Party of California for being so inclusive as to allow a person like me....with no party....to help you select a candidate for President of the United States. It's a great honor to be entrusted with this important responsibility.

And to the Republicans, Greens and Peace and Freedomers...Please consider ending your exclusionary primary and open up the tent to more voters. It might even help you in the general election.

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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
What about Democrats who are legitimately troubled that Senator Sanders may be cheated out of the nomination by super delegates?
What about Republicans who are legitimately troubled that Mister Trump may be cheated out of the nomination by super delegates?
Are they permitted to express their opinions?...
Yes, by all means. But Democrats who are concerned about the Republican process, and Republicans who feign concern over the Democratic process are just phonies.
The LVA Vegas Free-for-All Community is, indeed, fortunate to have forkushV among them to identify that which may be expressed and that which may not be expressed dependent upon their party membership, . . . under penalty of being identified as a "phony".

Umm, . . . what about Socialists? Can they discuss the policies of the Democrat Party, since they are likely to vote for Senator Sanders?
[n.b. The actual Socialist Party USA candidates are Emidio "Mimi" Soltysik (California) for President and Angela Walker (Wisconsin) for Vice President, but DonDiego supposes many members will vote for Senator Sanders.]

Oh, and Independents ? Are they permitted to discuss the activities of any political party, or none?

DonDiego just wants to know the acceptable limits upon his right to free speech.
I have just received a very important postcard from the Fresno County Clerk. As a registered Non Partisan, I have the option to request a vote by mail presidential primary ballot from one of three parties. Democratic. American Independent. Libertarian. I am not allowed to vote as a non-partisan in the Primary for Republican, Green or Peace and Freedom party.

For my June 2016 California Primary I intend to vote for Senator Bernie Sanders. Even though there is much of his philosophy, policies and ideas I don't agree with, I think he would make a better president than Hillary Clinton. I think he is more honest and trustworthy..... We need change...that we can believe in....not a Crony Capitalist love fest in Washington...Not a big donor driven agenda of more of the same.

And....so.....now I believe I have also earned the message board cred to express my opinion of our Democrat primary without being labeled a "two-faced, phony "concern troll". I am an official California voter who is truly concerned about the Democratic party candidate and whether the selection process for that person is fair. I got skin in the game.

And for the record, I think our selection process sucks. These Establishment Biased Super Delegates must go. That's taking the selection out of our hands. You know...We the people. And if there are any other shenanigans here in our primary...rest assured, I'll be watching and reporting.

Finally I'd like to thank the Democratic Party of California for being so inclusive as to allow a person like me....with no party....to help you select a candidate for President of the United States. It's a great honor to be entrusted with this important responsibility.

And to the Republicans, Greens and Peace and Freedomers...Please consider ending your exclusionary primary and open up the tent to more voters. It might even help you in the general election.

The state caucus and primary systems for Presidential ballots have become corrupt with some states allowing people without a party affiliation, or with a party affiliation, to try to influence the eventual nomination of a person they believe will lose in the general election to another candidate that they actually favor.

The entire system is flawed because there is no consistency between the states, and the national conventions can over-ride or ignore state results. Here in Colorado, you have to be registered Republican or Democrat to participate in a caucus. The national RNC would not guarantee that caucus results would result in binding representation of the caucus results at the national convention, so the Republican Colorado caucuses did not include Presidential nominations! F-that!

I could have changed my party affiliation to Democrat and caucused for Bernie because I don't believe there's any chance in hell that he'd actually win the election. (Is that what you are going to do?) That would have been both a waste of time (Bernie won the Colorado Democrat caucus nomination without my vote), and I probably would have gotten into trouble in a room full of liberals/socialists/communists...

I don't have a solution to our nomination system(s). Maybe petitioning to get onto each state's general election ballot with a minimum number to get there, and go from there...even if it meant that there were two dozen Presidential candidates on the general election ballot. I just don't know...
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Originally posted by: BobOrme

I could have changed my party affiliation to Democrat and caucused for Bernie because I don't believe there's any chance in hell that he'd actually win the election. (Is that what you are going to do?) That would have been both a waste of time (Bernie won the Colorado Democrat caucus nomination without my vote), and I probably would have gotten into trouble in a room full of liberals/socialists/communists...
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No. I don't have to change my affiliation to Democrat. I just return my postcard and tell them I want a Democrat ballot. Also, I don't have to caucus or even go to the precinct on election day...I vote by mail.

I'm not so much voting for my main man Bernie, but voting against Ol' Hillary...I think Bernie is more honest and nicer too....but I don't think he would be a good president...yet still better than Hillary.

I'm more than happy to help the Democrats with their selection..and I'm glad they are interested in my opinion of their candidates and allow me the opportunity to vote in their primary. I hope that doesn't make me a two-faced, phony "concern troll"....because I really am here to help....In fact, I'm feelin' the Bern! I hope it wasn't what I had for dinner.

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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: BobOrme

I could have changed my party affiliation to Democrat and caucused for Bernie because I don't believe there's any chance in hell that he'd actually win the election. (Is that what you are going to do?) That would have been both a waste of time (Bernie won the Colorado Democrat caucus nomination without my vote), and I probably would have gotten into trouble in a room full of liberals/socialists/communists...
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No. I don't have to change my affiliation to Democrat. I just return my postcard and tell them I want a Democrat ballot. Also, I don't have to caucus or even go to the precinct on election day...I vote by mail.

I'm not so much voting for my main man Bernie, but voting against Ol' Hillary...I think Bernie is more honest and nicer too....but I don't think he would be a good president...yet still better than Hillary.

I'm more than happy to help the Democrats with their selection..and I'm glad they are interested in my opinion of their candidates and allow me the opportunity to vote in their primary. I hope that doesn't make me a two-faced, phony "concern troll"....because I really am here to help....In fact, I'm feelin' the Bern! I hope it wasn't what I had for dinner.
As if it's going to matter.


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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: BobOrme

I could have changed my party affiliation to Democrat and caucused for Bernie because I don't believe there's any chance in hell that he'd actually win the election. (Is that what you are going to do?) That would have been both a waste of time (Bernie won the Colorado Democrat caucus nomination without my vote), and I probably would have gotten into trouble in a room full of liberals/socialists/communists...
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No. I don't have to change my affiliation to Democrat. I just return my postcard and tell them I want a Democrat ballot. Also, I don't have to caucus or even go to the precinct on election day...I vote by mail.

I'm not so much voting for my main man Bernie, but voting against Ol' Hillary...I think Bernie is more honest and nicer too....but I don't think he would be a good president...yet still better than Hillary.

I'm more than happy to help the Democrats with their selection..and I'm glad they are interested in my opinion of their candidates and allow me the opportunity to vote in their primary. I hope that doesn't make me a two-faced, phony "concern troll"....because I really am here to help....In fact, I'm feelin' the Bern! I hope it wasn't what I had for dinner.
As if it's going to matter.

Well that's just crushing to hear my fellow Bernie supporter say that.

No worries. Alan can use my vote for Bernie. Presuming Hillary has the delegates wrapped up by the time Indiana comes along I plan on participating in the Republican vote. I cant decide which clown I want to vote for. Probably the one that would be the biggest embarrassment in a general election. I'll have to watch a few more episodes of the Jerry Springer debates to decide.
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
The entire system is flawed because there is no consistency between the states, and the national conventions can over-ride or ignore state results.

DonDiego does not consider the inconsistency between States as a flaw. In fact it seems particularly true to the spirit of the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
And if one doesn't like his State's election laws, he may work with like-believers to change them.

That the National Party Conventions may override the will of the people expressed by the primary elections/caucuses is purely a Party Matter.
And those opposed are free to work within the Party to change the rules to what one considers more equitable, . . . or even to change parties, say, to a party whose rules he finds more agreeable.

Choice is Good.

Oh, . . . as always DonDiego encourages anyone who chooses to express an opinion on matters pertaining to local, state, and national election matters to do so without regard to one's party affiliation, . . . as precisely such free-speech is protected from the Congress abridging the freedom of speech in the First Amendment to the Constitution.

Free Speech is Good.
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
No worries. Alan can use my vote for Bernie. Presuming Hillary has the delegates wrapped up by the time Indiana comes along I plan on participating in the Republican vote. I cant decide which clown I want to vote for. Probably the one that would be the biggest embarrassment in a general election. I'll have to watch a few more episodes of the Jerry Springer debates to decide.
Does the GOP in Indiana support an open primary or do you have to change sides to vote Republican?

I think it's interesting that there is no defined role at all for political parties in the constitution. No mention of 'Primaries' or 'Party Conventions'. Prior to 1831, the congressmen got together and determined their presidential candidate by caucus. Did you know "The first national convention was called by the Anti-Masonic Party in 1831 as they could not use the caucus system as they had no Congressmen."? Damn Anti-Masonics.

Well, well, well...My main man Bernie put the hurt on Ol' Hillary with a startling upset in last night's Michigan Primary. No poll had predicted this. I guess it ain't over 'till it's over....although I wouldn't be surprised if once again the establishment Clinton machine managed to pad their delegate count with their elite, super duper, special voters....who count more than us regular old primary voting peons. It's almost like I'm back on the plantation....workin' for the man...er woman.
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
Well, well, well...My main man Bernie put the hurt on Ol' Hillary with a startling upset in last night's Michigan Primary. No poll had predicted this. I guess it ain't over 'till it's over....although I wouldn't be surprised if once again the establishment Clinton machine managed to pad their delegate count with their elite, super duper, special voters....who count more than us regular old primary voting peons. It's almost like I'm back on the plantation....workin' for the man...er woman.
Along with never starting political threads, I never dig up old political threads just to start a new conversation. But after the Democratic convention, I'm really going to be tempted to revive this thread so I can say:

"Hey stupids. I told you the Democratic Party superdelegates weren't going to overrule the choice of the voters."

So I guess I'll just have to say it now.
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