Bill O’Reilly Dragged His Wife Down The Stairs



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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
Hmmm. What the Clinton Foundation claims and what the tax returns show, are two completely separate things. Are you suggesting that the tax returns are wrong, because God forbid that the Clintons would ever lie?


I understand the tax returns are wrong and are being refiled. If someone on these boards stated that fact then their commentary would be accurate.

But the criticism on these boards was something else. People here suggested less than 15% of money donated to the charity was going to the actual charity. That was a smearing lie wasn't it?


That's what the numbers showed, no smearing lie there.

"One of the mantras one must invoke when discussing the Clinton Cash controversy is to say that whatever one might think of the pay-to-play aspects of the former first family’s charitable endeavors, the Clinton Foundation does a lot of good work around the world. But now that more of the press is finally asking tough questions about the Clintons’ activities, it appears that their charity may not pass the basic question donors ask of any philanthropy: how much of the money raised is actually spent on the causes you are supposed to be aiding? Though the foundation has claimed that 88 percent of its expenditures are spent on good deeds, their own tax filings reveal that the real number is about ten percent. But far from being an unrelated, albeit embarrassing, sidebar to the allegations about influence peddling, this data is a reminder that the main point of the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation is to support its namesakes in a lavish fashion and to allow wealthy donors access to them.

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/2015/04/30/is-the-clinton-foundation-really-a-charity/


"After a week of being attacked for shady bookkeeping and questionable expenditures, the Clinton Foundation is fighting back. In a tweet posted last week, the Clinton Foundation claimed that 88 percent of its expenditures went “directly to [the foundation’s] life-changing work..."
"..There’s only one problem: that claim is demonstrably false. And it is false not according to some partisan spin on the numbers, but because the organization’s own tax filings contradict the claim.

https://thefederalist.com/2015/04/27/in-2013-the-clinton-foundation-only-spent-10-percent-of-its-budget-on-charitable-grants/

Charity watchdog: Clinton Foundation a ‘slush fund’
The Clinton Foundation’s finances are so messy that the nation’s most influential charity watchdog put it on its “watch list” of problematic nonprofits last month.

The Clinton family’s mega-charity took in more than $140 million in grants and pledges in 2013 but spent just $9 million on direct aid.

The group spent the bulk of its windfall on administration, travel, and salaries and bonuses, with the fattest payouts going to family friends.

"On its 2013 tax forms, the most recent available, the foundation claimed it spent $30 million on payroll and employee benefits; $8.7 million in rent and office expenses; $9.2 million on “conferences, conventions and meetings”; $8 million on fundraising; and nearly $8.5 million on travel. None of the Clintons is on the payroll, but they do enjoy first-class flights paid for by the foundation..."
"...Charity Navigator, which rates nonprofits, recently refused to rate the Clinton Foundation because its “atypical business model .?.?. doesn’t meet our criteria.”

Charity Navigator put the foundation on its “watch list,” which warns potential donors about investing in problematic charities. The 23 charities on the list include the Rev. Al Sharpton’s troubled National Action Network, which is cited for failing to pay payroll taxes for several years."


https://nypost.com/2015/04/26/charity-watchdog-clinton-foundation-a-slush-fund/

There's tons others, just google Clinton fund percent to charity, I did. Funny I didn't see anyone defending them...hmm. Oh wait, I have HERE!







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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
Hmmm. What the Clinton Foundation claims and what the tax returns show, are two completely separate things. Are you suggesting that the tax returns are wrong, because God forbid that the Clintons would ever lie?


I understand the tax returns are wrong and are being refiled. If someone on these boards stated that fact then their commentary would be accurate.

But the criticism on these boards was something else. People here suggested less than 15% of money donated to the charity was going to the actual charity. That was a smearing lie wasn't it?


That's what the numbers showed, no smearing lie there.
According to your idiot metric, the American Red Cross give less than 15% to charity. Of course the reality is that "grants" are not the only form of charity, for the Red Cross, the Clinton Foundation, or thousands of other organizations, including most religious organizations. More often than not, they administer their own programs. Imagine that.

So now that you've had it explained to you jatki, next time you say it you're just lying.
Allrighty then. Charity navigator is a very reputable site I believe and what I just posted about the Clinton foundation I believe is true. Heres a link and some work done by Charity navigator.

https://charity.lovetoknow.com/What_Percentage_of_Donations_Go_to_Charity

What Percentage of Donations Go to Charity

"Sites like Charity Navigator are very helpful in showing you what percentage of your giving goes to support the mission of the nonprofit, as opposed to administrative expenses. Some nonprofits may have quite a bit of overhead, but according to the charity ratings site, if they are spending more than 33.3% of their total budget on overhead, the organization is simply not meeting its mission..."
"..According to Charity Navigator, the following charities are hugely popular with donors. Do you know how much money they spend on actual programming?

American Red Cross

The do-gooders at the American Red Cross do a good job of spending your money when you donate. They manage to keep administrative expenses at less than 5% of their total overhead, and they spend 92.1% of their income on actual programs that benefit the community. Whether it's teacher CPR, or managing crisis during the aftermath of a disaster, the Red Cross puts your money to good use.

I won't copy everything, but here they are.
World vision, Dr.s without borders, invisible children and American cancer society.

Ones with lots of overhead-
•The Nature Conservancy
•World Wildlife Federation
•CARE
•Oxfam America
•Natural Resources Defense Council

30% or more overhead-
•George Bush Presidential Library Foundation
•Alzheimer's Foundation of America
•The Cable Center
•Jewish Guild for the Blind
•American Printing House for the Blind


As I posted before, Clinton fund isn't even considered, and yea I see the Bush library gets a shitty grade and I think tht's atrocious. Any charity that takes money and pretends to do so much "good" with it are slime, pure and simple. Defending one is even slimier.

OH,and btw, there's no lies here



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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
Hmmm. What the Clinton Foundation claims and what the tax returns show, are two completely separate things. Are you suggesting that the tax returns are wrong, because God forbid that the Clintons would ever lie?


I understand the tax returns are wrong and are being refiled. If someone on these boards stated that fact then their commentary would be accurate.

But the criticism on these boards was something else. People here suggested less than 15% of money donated to the charity was going to the actual charity. That was a smearing lie wasn't it?


That's what the numbers showed...
Only 15% of the money went to charity? Is that really what you are saying here,? Are you sure you don't mean that 15% went to "grants?" Because I want to make sure that's what you meant to say...before I call you a liar.
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Originally posted by: jatki99
Allrighty then. Charity navigator is a very reputable site I believe and what I just posted about the Clinton foundation I believe is true. Heres a link and some work done by Charity navigator.

https://charity.lovetoknow.com/What_Percentage_of_Donations_Go_to_Charity

What Percentage of Donations Go to Charity

"Sites like Charity Navigator are very helpful in showing you what percentage of your giving goes to support the mission of the nonprofit, as opposed to administrative expenses. Some nonprofits may have quite a bit of overhead, but according to the charity ratings site, if they are spending more than 33.3% of their total budget on overhead, the organization is simply not meeting its mission..."
"..According to Charity Navigator, the following charities are hugely popular with donors. Do you know how much money they spend on actual programming?

American Red Cross

The do-gooders at the American Red Cross do a good job of spending your money when you donate. They manage to keep administrative expenses at less than 5% of their total overhead, and they spend 92.1% of their income on actual programs that benefit the community. Whether it's teacher CPR, or managing crisis during the aftermath of a disaster, the Red Cross puts your money to good use.

I won't copy everything, but here they are.
World vision, Dr.s without borders, invisible children and American cancer society.

Ones with lots of overhead-
•The Nature Conservancy
•World Wildlife Federation
•CARE
•Oxfam America
•Natural Resources Defense Council

30% or more overhead-
•George Bush Presidential Library Foundation
•Alzheimer's Foundation of America
•The Cable Center
•Jewish Guild for the Blind
•American Printing House for the Blind


As I posted before, Clinton fund isn't even considered, and yea I see the Bush library gets a shitty grade and I think tht's atrocious. Any charity that takes money and pretends to do so much "good" with it are slime, pure and simple. Defending one is even slimier.

OH,and btw, there's no lies here


Fantastic homework, Jatki. Only problem is your link doesn't say what percentage the CGI gives to charity. Your link does an excellent job of debunking your faulty analysis of charity tax records. According to your link the Red Cross gives 90% of its money to charity. According to you and Jphelan the tax records prove the red cross gave less than 10%.

So either your reputable link is full of crap or you are. can you please ammend your last statement? Because there are lies here. You just told a big one - and the best part is you provided the link that proves it.



If they find that O'Reily is accurately charged, I hope that he's charged appropriately. I wouldn't shock me if he did so.
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: jatki99
Allrighty then. Charity navigator is a very reputable site I believe and what I just posted about the Clinton foundation I believe is true. Heres a link and some work done by Charity navigator.

https://charity.lovetoknow.com/What_Percentage_of_Donations_Go_to_Charity

What Percentage of Donations Go to Charity

"Sites like Charity Navigator are very helpful in showing you what percentage of your giving goes to support the mission of the nonprofit, as opposed to administrative expenses. Some nonprofits may have quite a bit of overhead, but according to the charity ratings site, if they are spending more than 33.3% of their total budget on overhead, the organization is simply not meeting its mission..."
"..According to Charity Navigator, the following charities are hugely popular with donors. Do you know how much money they spend on actual programming?

American Red Cross

The do-gooders at the American Red Cross do a good job of spending your money when you donate. They manage to keep administrative expenses at less than 5% of their total overhead, and they spend 92.1% of their income on actual programs that benefit the community. Whether it's teacher CPR, or managing crisis during the aftermath of a disaster, the Red Cross puts your money to good use.

I won't copy everything, but here they are.
World vision, Dr.s without borders, invisible children and American cancer society.

Ones with lots of overhead-
•The Nature Conservancy
•World Wildlife Federation
•CARE
•Oxfam America
•Natural Resources Defense Council

30% or more overhead-
•George Bush Presidential Library Foundation
•Alzheimer's Foundation of America
•The Cable Center
•Jewish Guild for the Blind
•American Printing House for the Blind


As I posted before, Clinton fund isn't even considered, and yea I see the Bush library gets a shitty grade and I think tht's atrocious. Any charity that takes money and pretends to do so much "good" with it are slime, pure and simple. Defending one is even slimier.

OH,and btw, there's no lies here


Fantastic homework, Jatki. Only problem is your link doesn't say what percentage the CGI gives to charity. Your link does an excellent job of debunking your faulty analysis of charity tax records. According to your link the Red Cross gives 90% of its money to charity. According to you and Jphelan the tax records prove the red cross gave less than 10%.

So either your reputable link is full of crap or you are. can you please ammend your last statement? Because there are lies here. You just told a big one - and the best part is you provided the link that proves it.


If it is a lie, then the Red Cross is a total POS org also. What's your point?

BTW I would trust an org like Charity Navigator over your defense any day PJ. I really wonder why in the world you would defend someone so quickly with nothing whatsoever than calling my links lies? Forky I expect it from, you, not so much. The Clintons are pretty slimy, I'll say the same about the bush library, would you?
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Originally posted by: jatki99
BTW I would trust an org like Charity Navigator over your defense any day PJ. I really wonder why in the world you would defend someone so quickly with nothing whatsoever than calling my links lies? Forky I expect it from, you, not so much. The Clintons are pretty slimy, I'll say the same about the bush library, would you?


If you trust your link then you cant trust yourself. It contradicts your conclusion. Your reputable link says the Red Cross gives 90% of its money to charity. Your method of analyzing their tax records would say its less than 10%.


So who is wrong, jatki? You or your reputable link to charity navigator?
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