bob Dancer's new column, new question

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Originally posted by: redietz
To address MrMarcus and the question of why I think Dancer should, in his LVA articles, address an audience rather than relate his biographical adventures that no one can emulate -- well, here goes:

I admit I am not of the blogworld -- my original background was in journalism/non-fiction and writing for an audience. The fact LVA put Dancer's blog here makes it less of a true interpersonal blog, in my opinion, and more of a piece of writing that should find an audience with the LVA readership. Some here might find his articles entertaining thus far. I think the first was okay -- I thought the last one was a mess.

I think if he is selling books to an audience and software and such, and teaching classes, all of which bring people into the serious vp universe, he should provide caveats explaining that his path is probably non-reproducible, if that's the case. Obviously, I haven't read every single thing he's had to say, so maybe he has preached this on occasion. I'm open to correction.

I have been a Dancer fan since way back, but I think he's done a disservice to folks by not mentioning the elephant in the room -- namely that the vp rainforest has dried up. There's too much promotion and not enough, "This really, really sucks compared to 20 years ago, and maybe your time is better spent pursuing other gambling ventures." If all sports betting became 6-to-5, I'd tell people to not do it. Period. It's no longer a good bet.

Here's the tough question, and I do not have an answer. Does Dancer do more good by steering people to discipline and knowing the games than he does harm by using himself as a flagship example of what is achievable, when that success can no longer be duplicated? Put another way, simply, are casino bottom lines better or worse due to the existence of Bob Dancer and his books, software, blogs? This is the big question. Now think about that carefully -- there are a lot of philosophical angles here. I don't know if the answer matters in any ethical sense, but it is a fascinating question.


Well, I've never been a big Dancer fan. But, that is more related to some of his questionable moral decisions. I can't imagine how difficult it would be to come up with new articles on VP every month. And yes, I think he does get off track sometimes.

OTOH, no matter what you write, if some folks can't understand a single session is meaningless in understanding VP play, you will always have people misunderstanding you.
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Originally posted by: oobiedoobie
alanleroy, after factoring in the tax(35%-40%?),the reduction of the prize if you wanted the money now (50%?) or the time penalty if you choose to wait the 20 years and the odds of having to share the prize with other winners(unable to determine without additional information) this doesn't seem to be a slam dunk.


Actually these are all good points, oobiedoobie. I'm just trying to throw out the concept that a positive expected value isn't always a good bet.
If you can't afford to lose $1500 the only reason you should be in a casino is for the buffet.
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Originally posted by: oobiedoobie
If you can't afford to lose $1500 the only reason you should be in a casino is for the buffet.


$1500 a day?
That's $10,500 for a trip?
No thank you.
I'll stick to quarters and come home with a profit or an under $1000 loss for the week playing FPDW or DB.
I'll leave the big losses to the assholes. Alias pro's.

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Originally posted by: oobiedoobie
If you can't afford to lose $1500 the only reason you should be in a casino is for the buffet.


I'm there for the booze.
Or 17 million for a really long trip,huh,melba. I swear, some people should be barred from using numbers.
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Originally posted by: oobiedoobie
If you can't afford to lose $1500 the only reason you should be in a casino is for the buffet.


Then you need to be talking to a few million visitors to Vegas each year. Most come with less than $1,000.
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Originally posted by: chefantwon
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Originally posted by: oobiedoobie
If you can't afford to lose $1500 the only reason you should be in a casino is for the buffet.


Then you need to be talking to a few million visitors to Vegas each year. Most come with less than $1,000.


I'll get right on it. Do you have a list?
Go do your research at McCarran.
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Originally posted by: oobiedoobie
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Originally posted by: chefantwon
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Originally posted by: oobiedoobie
If you can't afford to lose $1500 the only reason you should be in a casino is for the buffet.


Then you need to be talking to a few million visitors to Vegas each year. Most come with less than $1,000.


I'll get right on it. Do you have a list?


Try here

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