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Indeed US coins have heavier heads than tails and this is because of their design. I used the coin flip analogy since that is what is often used to prove me wrong. There have been several coin flip yests that prove coin flips with US coins are not true fifty fifty propositions.
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
snidely wrote: "The math can predict how many hands, on average, it will take to hit the royal." Yes, the math can predict on average how many hands a royal comes.

but the statement in question is this one: "the math will tell you when the royals are likely to come." and the math cannot tell you when the royals are likely to come.

since you guys like to use "coin flips" consider this:

you toss a coin 100 times and 100 times its heads. the math says that the next coin flip will be heads 50% of the time.


The math will tell you that you are likely to get a heads after two coin flips. No one wrote "will be" except you. Oobie wrote "likely to happen".

It is a bit of a paradox. One could state that a RF is expected to happen withing 40,000 hands. But, on the 40,000th hand the probability of a RF is still 1/40,000.
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Originally posted by: snidely333
A team forms to play these progressive game. 12 team members show up to play 10 machines. 10 will play, and 2 will be back up for toilet breaks (the team plans to play until the BIG RF is hit) but only 9 seats are available. MoneyLA is sitting there playing and he's not leaving until the BIG RF hits. Does the team now calculate their chance to get the BIG RF is now 90% whereas if they had all the seats, it would have been 100%? Doesn't this reduction is probability they hit the BIG RF affect their EV?
Yes, it does... in your imagination, which is the only place the scenario exists. In the more likely scenario of one player on one machine, or two players on two machines, a player does not become better off when the other leaves to take a crap (except for the fact that the guy left to do his biz, rather than doing it right there.)

If you actually do this long enough, instead of just theorizing, you will eventually understand it doesn't matter. Likewise, the actual probability of a coin flip doesn't matter. It just takes some folks longer than others to figure that out.

If Money joins that team, and plays a reasonably equivalent game, the team's variance goes down, but its expectation doesn't increase.
snidely wrote: "The math will tell you that you are likely to get a heads after two coin flips."

Really, Snidely??

So tell me Snidely, are you one of those players who walks up to a roulette wheel, and sees on the board that the last two spins were black, and then bets on red?


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Originally posted by: MoneyLA So tell me Snidely, are you one of those players who walks up to a roulette wheel, and sees on the board that the last two spins were black, and then bets on red?
Um, almost but not quite. The trick is to bet every thing you own on that one spin, and then walk away. It was in some movie.
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
snidely wrote: "The math will tell you that you are likely to get a heads after two coin flips."

Really, Snidely??

So tell me Snidely, are you one of those players who walks up to a roulette wheel, and sees on the board that the last two spins were black, and then bets on red?


Yes, really. If you spin the wheel twice you are likely to get at least one black. The probability on any one spin is still 50% (assuming no stinking green).
but snidely, thats not what you said before. you wrote: "The math will tell you that you are likely to get a heads after two coin flips."

in the case of roulette, that would means after two blacks the math (your math, that is) will tell you that you are likely to get a red.

"likely" does not mean 50-50 in my book. does 50-50 mean "likely" to you? "likely" to me is more like 95 to 5 or 99 to 1... or as the weatherman might say, a 70% chance of rain.
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Originally posted by: MoneyLA


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"likely" does not mean 50-50 in my book. does 50-50 mean "likely" to you? "likely" to me is more like 95 to 5 or 99 to 1... or as the weatherman might say, a 70% chance of rain.


Money

Just curious to read your answers to this:

Where do you draw the line on "likely".....

90-10?
70-30?
60-40?
51-49?
50.1-49.9?
50.000001 - 40.000099 ?

And, can "likely" apply to the outcome of 1 decision?
10 decisions?
100 decisions?
1000 decisions?

Is it "likely" that if a coin is flipped 200 times, that at least 1 heads will appear?
Is it "likely" that if a coin is flipped 20 times, that at least 1 heads will appear?
Is it "likely" that if a coin is flipped 2 times, that at least 1 heads will appear?


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Likely differs from possibly. Likely is greater than 50/50. Other than that "likely" has no numerical value. Webster says likely is "a high probability of occuring."
What is a high probability to you roadtrip?
Who are you, and what have you done to MoneyLA?
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