Breaking news!! Singer drops his escrow demand!

APers play positive machines. They understand the more they play the better their chances of winning. They don't need win goals as I've already explained many times. The fact you keep repeating drivel after you've been informed of the facts demonstrates you should get out before you become a laughing stock like Singer.

As for not understanding "what Singer's strategy is about" ... good grief, I've explained it to you soooooo many times. It's a con. What more is there to understand? He preys on math challenged folks like yourself that can't understand the simple math that underlies VP play. He figures there are plenty of idiots out there who can't understand that play at any level of a progression is no different than play on single line machines. If the progression on a negative machine has an advantage then you MUST believe you can beat any negative single line game. This is so simple and so basic it is almost beyond my comprehension that you could be this easily fooled.

Oh come on. You call this bickering? We have not yet begun to bicker.

The following is another wonderful email I received from our lovely gentleman, Rob Argenti...oops Singer. I can atest to the fact that any personal mudslinging towards Mr. Singer was only brought on in retort. And, by the way, as long as Bob Dancer is alive and well and hosting Gambling with An Edge, Rob Singer will never be on that show even if Frank Kneeland wants him on. Here is the gracious email I received today:


From:Rob Singer <[email protected]>
Subject: Again?

Maybe you'll find peace with yourself over the cddenver event if you go back and read over all the vile, nasty things the coward said about me and my family--knowing I'd not be back to respond....something you will never see told when hate permeates the air. Payback does hurt when someone supports a dirtbag like him. And yes, he is right where he belongs eating that dirt, if only so he cannot tell such lies about anyone else he knows nothing about ever again.

Why don't you put more effort into trying to talk that moron fedomalley into living up to the half-assed, unprepared challenge he proposed, or better still, back him on it?

I met with Frank Kneeland at the Silverton Monday night for a few hours, and yes, the guy wants me on his radio show in a few months. Why? Because unlike the distorted picture you paint of me without you ever telling or accepting the truth, he's actually met me.


-Mule

So, on top of everything else he speaks ill of the dead. I'd never feature him on my website, but hey that doesn't mean his discredited system doesn't work for him.

Arc, over the long term you APers are likely to come out ahead. The math is on your side over the gazillion hands that make up the long term. Okay, maybe not a gazillion hands... but a lot of them.

Like I said before, I dont think Singer will dispute that either.

Singer's point is he doesnt play the long term -- and few of us do -- so why not take your best shot with a win goal and a loss limit?

And Singer's special plays show you those "shots" to take. Some of the shots WITH LUCK (or what you call variance or whatever) will create a big win, or might even simply improve the chances for a hand that will return your money for another try.

I accept Singer's strategy for what it is -- a different approach to the game for a player who wants to take his shot.

You and probably 90% of the members of this forum will never accept Singer's strategy because you want to play the long term odds. Well, for the most part, I won't play it either. But with Singer you might hit a big win that will help you reach your win goal and that is an interesting idea.

It's really a different approach and a lot of gamblers use the approach -- right or wrong. I see it in blackjack and in craps as players increase their bets to try to catch up with a lucky run. Singer' strategy is to increast the denomination during play in to make up for previous losses, similar to what is also done in BJ and craps. Well, Ive hit royals playing nickels and Ive hit royals playing $5 per coin. And hitting a royal at $5 per coin makes up for a lot of the losses I had playing nickels and quarters -- and dollars too.

"if only so he cannot tell such lies about anyone else he knows nothing about ever again."

Spoken by the champion liar about people he knows nothing about. The pot is calling the kettle black.

I don't really know how to this thread, so I'll start from the beginning.

I am an avid reader of Gaming Today, and have been so since it first came out as "Sports Form". Through the years
there wasn't too much written about video poker on their pages as vp was a fairly new game. I think that Sports Form first came out in 1978 before VP was ever invented.

But as VP became a national game, GT started hiring a writer to tell us how to play the game properly. Lenny Frome was that writer, and with every column, he promoted the books he was writing. I even bought one of those books to help me learn how to play the game. His columns were very informative, but they started to wear on you as they basically said the same thing year after year. After all, if you're an AP, things really going to change as the years go by.

Unfortunately, Lenny Frome died. Singer was then hired to fill the void. To tell the truth, when I saw that someone else start writing a column, I read the first column with a so so attitude. After all, what was this guy going to tell me about VP that Fromme hadn't written about 100 times? But as I read the "new" guy, I saw that this guy was something else. By this time, I had had my butt handed to me on average playing VP. When I was going to Vegas on these "up and backs" from LAX, I was a black jack player. I wasn't a "counter", but I played a good basic strategy with a progressive betting system that a friend of mine taught me. But somehow I got the VP VP bug, and started playing VP in concert with my BJ. Then I went to VP full time. This really wasn't a good move since I never would hit royal flushes. At least with BJ, I would limit my losses and move to different tables when things weren't going my way.

But getting back to Singer. I would read how he wouldn't use players cards as he didn't want the casinos to know who he was. I questioned this immediately as I couldn't see how he could get comps or cash back from the casino if they didn't know who he was. That made sense..didn't it? But this was his claim.

At the time, he was writing about how he would have a win expectation of "X" amount of dollars, and he would quit as soon as he hit that amount. He would preach about having the ability to STOP when he hit that goal. Very admirable. Let's face it, we'd all be better off if we quit when we were ahead, and most of us know that while playing, we'd get ahead some of the time.

So I would read Rob's columns every week and seem to glean a lot from the columns. But one time, Rob wrote a column where he went on tilt. If I'm not mistaken, he blew off somewhere in the neighborhood of $26000. WOW!!
That was some kind of loss. I wondered how long it was going to take him to make that up with his "hit and run" system of winning $400-$500 at a time. But, after all, if you are progressing upwards through the .25c, .50c, $1, $2, $5, $10, $25 and even $100, if you were cold that day or session, you weren't going to make sh*t. But I would continue to read his columns seeing what was new,

He then started his "romp thru town". Now these columns I really liked and couldn't wait until each weeks column came out. I hope I correct about this RTT. I believe he would start at one casino and start at the bottom of his progression, and when he reached his goal, would move on to another casino and start all over again. What I really liked about this column was he told you what the casino had to offer as far as games go, and where they were located in the casino. He would travel to Laughlin first, and then always go to Sam's Town which would always be his first stop. He had a Gold Card there which gave him 2 free meals at Billy Bob's Steakhouse, or anywhere else in the hotel. He then would travel to any other casino in town, especially those that gave him FSP or any other free offers. At this point I figured he MUST be playing with a players card or he wouldn't be getting these offers. And sure enough it finally came out that he WAS using a players card(s).

Now I can honestly say, that although I was chomping at the bit to try his "system", I never had the bankroll to put it to the test. But unknown to me at the time, my son had bought one of his books and went to his website, and was playing his system on his trips to Vegas and Laughlin. My son DID have the BR to try his system. When he finally revealed to me that he had been playing Rob's "system" for about a year and was UP about $7,000. I was in shock, as he never mentioned to me about buying the book or writing to Rob about several questions about his system.

About the same time, Rob was appearing at LVA on the free side to start and then at LVA Sports where we finally made a connection. When I read his threads and replies to topics, I couldn't believe how abrasive and obnoxious Rob could be writing things. It seemed like he had a "Holy War" going against AP. He would call people names, called them "addicted" and every other thing in the book. Didn't seem like a very nice person to me. But then again, I really didn't know him. But I KNEW he needed a better "bedside manner" than he was presenting to the forum. You might have a "winnable system", but you can't force it down a persons throat and expect them to accept it.

In any event, Rob started getting interested in betting the NFl which I feel is my forte. In several threads, we talked about meeting in Vegas to talk football. We finally got a date where we were both going to Sam's Town and Rob offered to buy me and the GF dinner at Billy Bob's, even though his comp was only for 2 people. He said he would pay for her out of his own pocket. Nice gesture.

When it was finally time to meet, we went to Billy Bob's at the right time, and I asked the hostess where Rob Singer was. She looked through her reservations list and told me there was no such person that had a reservation under that name. Apparently, everyone but me knew his real name was Rob Argentino. I guess I never got that press release. But he told me he would be sitting at the bar wearing a Patriots hat. I scanned the bar, and he seemed to spot us before we spotted him.

We exchanged greetings and ordered some drinks. I think the Gold card covered two rounds, so I bought the 3rd. It was then time for dinner. we got seated, and the longer we talked the more I realized that Rob wasn't the total a-hole that most people took him for. Actually a pretty nice guy. We exchanged phone numbers after discussing how I bet the NFL and why. The only thing I told him we shouldn't discuss is my Giants vs. his Patriots. This was the year that the Patriots were going undefeated, and my Giants weren't doing too badly either. We all know what happened in that Super Bowl, but to this day we've never really discussed that game.

Continuing following his columns, Rob told the story about hitting "X" amount of Royals in one day. I really don't remember if it was 3-4-5, but it was a big amount. Several posters on LVA Sports contested Robs hitting that many Royals in one day. For a wager, Rob said he would produce PROOF that what he said was TRUE, as he had offered on other wagers before, like how much he had won in the last 7 years. Well, Fezzik now got involved in the bet, and they agreed to meet in Vegas at a certain place and time. Sure enough, they all met, and Rob produced the PROOF they needed to show he had hit that many Royals in one day.

Ironically, my Gf said that "no one" could be that lucky and that Singer must be full of BS, or the luckiest person on earth. To tell you the truth, I feel that Rob must be the luckiest person on earth. To prove a point, when I got him and upgrade at the Silverton earlier this month, he got dealt a Royal within about 30 minutes of getting to the Silverton. When he got back from Hawaii earlier this week, he texted me a photo of 4 Queens that he hit on a $2 machine playing I think, Triple Double Bonus poker. Whatever the game, it paid 600 coins for a $1200 hit. I'm telling you, the guy is just very lucky.

Now just because I'll stick up for someone doesn't mean my head is shoved up his arse as someone suggests. I've gone against Rob several times in this forum and others if I didn't agree with what he's saying. I'm my own man with my own thoughts and that doesn't mean I have to agree with what someone is saying. Just because I might post something for Rob that he asks me to post doesn't mean anything one way or the other. I support his "system" because he's the ONLY one to write anything that is different than what everyone else is writing. Other than his two books, Rob hasn't promoted buying anything....he offered it for FREE at his website. He's offered to meet with people and show them his "system" free of charge. So what if one time he asked a "student" that didn't have a card to play his card. The person didn't WANT to get a card. Why not get the perks that the players card provides if the person isn't interested in having a card? I've had a person play my card before if they weren't playing one.

To call this guy a charlatan and a scam artist is ridiculous. He's not asking someone to pay a % of their profits if they win using his system. He's teaching people for FREE. He's spending his own gas money and time to meet someone to teach them for free. He's traveling about 300 miles from Phoenix to Vegas or Laughlin on his own dime.

I guess if you want, you can call his "system" a Martingale system but is it really? I don't see him asking anyone to keep doubling their bet until they win. And that is EXACTLY what a Martingale system is. His is a progression of units that progress to a higher level. I just don't see anyone out there showing me something else that can help me win at VP other than the AP way. But I've seen too many AP players bite the dust and go broke. Some VP experts have folded up their tents and gone away and their websites are no longer there. So who's to say who's right. The one thing I'd like to see, is someone try Singers system out and then say it's an outright fraud. People mouth off about his system, but not ONE has ever said they tried it and it failed. WHY?

I like having Rob as my friend, and have no regrets saying so. Since about 99% of you have never met him in person, you really don't know what he's like. I may not agree with what he writes on different forums, but I have no control over that other than make suggestion on what he says, and how he says it. I've pointed out on this forum that the $300,000 escrow is ridiculous. I'd like to see the "contest" take place and hope that no one takes a bad beat. I like Fed also, and wouldn't want either one to take a big loss in case someone gets lucky or unlucky.

Well, that's my .02c on the matter.

I cannot believe I just read this ENTIRE thread. And, I thought reality TV was entertaining.

I just tripled my buy in at Palazzo playing blackjack and walked away. All credit goes to Singer, right?

Until you start losing at the $5 level. Tell us how much you've won since your last RF.

Doesn't take very much losing to make for any wins at the nickel level. See how easy it is to see your logic is completely faulty. You simply can't (or won't) look at the big picture.

Your logic is so confused it pretty much means you are not a person that anyone should follow for advice. I wouldn't trust your website for anything. You couldn't think your way out of a paper bag.