Breaking news!! Singer drops his escrow demand!

"what I had been doing was finding out information and feelings and opinions. Some of them, you might be surprised to find, ended up in my articles, in my radio show, and on TV. "

Amazing. He comes right out and admits he's been using us. That shows a total lack of journalistic integrity, IMO.
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Originally posted by: arcimedes
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Originally posted by: slapinfunk
If RS's system works for him... Great

Before I met RS I did some similar things that his strategy calls for, and I do it because I like to gamble. I am not playing VP for my income, I play for entertainment and if I win, great... If I am having a good session playing DDB and am dealt 222KK, I may hold the 222, and you know what... a few times it has hit, and hit with a kicker... I agree it is best to hold the FH, but I want to gamble and go for the bigger win, its fun, why not. If the extra 30 credits really meant that much to me more than the 15 I would get from holding just the trips, I shouldn't be spending my money playing VP. neither should anyone at that point.

Afterall, there are no "RULES" to video poker. You could be dealt a full house and throw it away... its YOUR money, do what you want with it. If you want to hold what you are given and get paid on that, good for you, if you want to hold something that will give you a little less, but leave you open to a bigger win, good luck!! I hope you hit!!

We have witnessed people dealt a straight flush 9-K and drop the 9 to hit a royal... she did it because she wanted to gamble and hit the royal, she did... and she never heard of RS.


The problem is you and the lady you referenced are NOT advertising their approach as something BETTER. I don't care how anyone plays, especially Singer. No one would say a word about his approach if he kept it to himself. But, that is not the case.

So, all your ranting was pretty much a "never mind" as it doesn't deal with the issue at hand. Money is advertising a losing system as a "best buy". Sorry if you can't understand that he is making a big mistake. But, I guess you won't let yourself see the problem any more than he has.



I am not here to defend RS's system in any way shape or form... I was simply stating that people do plays like that on their own.

I have played next to people who saw me get dealt Q Q K 2 5 and TELL me to hold the Q Q K because I might get two pair (and I am playing DDB)... What are you going to say to that guy?

I missed when RS told us that is the ONLY way to play VP, and I also missed when RS FORCED us to buy his product.

He speaks his own opinion and you have every right to choose to go by it, or not...

Arc, you seem to be so set in your ways and they work for you... I am glad they work for you... Why don't you write about it? Have money go and do video's of you talking about things you believe are the "correct" plays even if they are just what the computer math says is the best way to go... some people will probably say you are a crack pot holding a straight flush when you could go for a royal... but those people are different from you...

There are people who risk $1,000 to win $500 in one throw of the dice... and there are people who risk $1,000 to win $1,000 in one throw of the dice... There are also people who bet the same $1,000 to win $1,000 but also put another $100 on the any to act as "insurance" for the $1,000.

In VP, when you press the button on a single line machine, you risk 5 credits (in most cases) with every push of the button.

If you are dealt a straight flush 9-K, you could win 250 credits (depending on the game)
If you are dealt a straight flush 9-K, you could risk the original 5 credits and win 4000...

Some will see it as Losing 250 credits going for the royal... and some will see it as losing 5 credits going for the royal.

You see it as losing 250... and that is the only way you are ever going to see it with the type of gambler you are... you are educated and stick to the ways you were educated as to what is the correct thing to do.

There are situations like this in every way of life. not just in video poker...
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Originally posted by: cjen3349
For what it's worth, I hope MoneyLA does not leave. My opinion he's always conducted himself honorably on this board. I think he's the real deal when it comes to his personal experience with gambling.

All I know about Rob Singer is what I've read on this board, he's sounds pretty horrible. It sounds like MoneyLA is found guilty by association. MoneyLA has been unfairly attacked. I'm sure the Jerry Springer gallery will now attack me for my opinion. I won't be able to respond for a while because of work and I'll be traveling. Don't let this thread die I need a good chuckle.


I pretty much agree with this. Sure he's an antagonist, but seems pretty upfront.
Guilt by association for sure. Ya know,i'm freinds with some people who are also freinds with people i dont care for.It doesn't make us any less freinds(within reason of course IE no rapists or such). My 2 cents.

JOHN

PS Dragging bagiant in to this was TOTALLY uncool thing to do as well.
Not guilt by association.
I am bothered by the lack of full disclosure. Had MoneyLA been straightforward with us and let us know he was collecting data, doing research, for his articles, radio & TV shows, I'd still respect his viewponts.

"what I had been doing was finding out information and feelings and opinions. Some of them, you might be surprised to find, ended up in my articles, in my radio show, and on TV. "

One of the reasons my ex is my ex is because he believed in the mantra, "If you don't tell, then technically you're not lying" What he failed to realize is creative words don't change deceptive behavior.

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Originally posted by: slapinfunk
He speaks his own opinion and you have every right to choose to go by it, or not...


I agree with pretty much everything you're saying. Up to a point. And that point is when it becomes a commercial product.

We could sit down over a beer and I could tell you an entertaining story. Or, at least, I think it is entertaining. You're entitled to your own opinion. Now if I make that story into a movie, and you pay $10 to go see it, then I suspect you'll have a stronger opinion. I hope that you like it and go tell all your friends to go see it. Unfortunately if it sucked you'll probably be telling your friends it is a piece of trash and not to waste their money on it.

Taking it to the next level is when a professional movie credit reviews it and publishes their review. If they list it as a top 10 movie of the year, and you go see it, and it still sucked, you'll question their other reviews and stop taking their advice.

Movies are fairly benign. When you get to publishing and promoting investment schemes it becomes a dangerous higher stakes game. If someone comes up with a hair-brained pump-and-dump penny stock scheme and publishes it in a get-rich-quick book, they open themselves to ridicule. When a respected financial reporter promotes this scheme, they too open themselves not only to ridicule, but possible civil liability.
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Originally posted by: slapinfunk I missed when RS told us that is the ONLY way to play VP, and I also missed when RS FORCED us to buy his product.
Again with the evasions and cover-ups. What is it with you? Is there something in your character that compels you to avoid contact with the facts??

If someone INTENTIONALLY MISREPRESENTS goods or services, and someone else buys them and suffers harm as a result, THAT'S FRAUD. It doesn't matter whether other goods and services are available, or whether the buyer had a choice. That's completely irrelevant.

Imagine if you bought the stock of a company that didn't exist, and when you made a complaint, they told you that you're SOL, because you could have bought something else. Oh, you take your car to have it detailed and they burn it to the ground. Then they tell you there are other car washes, that no one forced you to take it to that one, and you should have bought better insurance.

The acorn doesn't fall far from the tree.

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Originally posted by: mrmarcus12LVA
If someone INTENTIONALLY MISREPRESENTS goods or services, and someone else buys them and suffers harm as a result, THAT'S FRAUD. It doesn't matter whether other goods and services are available, or whether the buyer had a choice. That's completely irrelevant.



There's lots of people with hairbrained ideas out there. Most of them are just simple crackpots, not fraudsters. MoneyLA is no more liable for "Singer's Folly" than Amazon is for the book "Dow 20000" or "How I lost 300 pounds on a diet of dingleberries".

In my opinion, what many are missing in this thread is not that Singer promotes incorrect vp strategies and that Mendelson advertises them, it's that Singer takes it as a personal attack when his flawed methods are uncovered and disputed. I have no issue with how Singer states that he plays, I also imploy money management parameters. I enjoy the technical banter that abounds. My issues with Singer are the vile attacks that come from him when most of his strategies are proven wrong, unprofitable and just plain stupid. The man constantly throws rocks from a glass house like it's a bomb bunker and every time a pebble comes his way he gets exposed.


-Mule
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: mrmarcus12LVA
If someone INTENTIONALLY MISREPRESENTS goods or services, and someone else buys them and suffers harm as a result, THAT'S FRAUD. It doesn't matter whether other goods and services are available, or whether the buyer had a choice. That's completely irrelevant.



There's lots of people with hairbrained ideas out there. Most of them are just simple crackpots, not fraudsters. MoneyLA is no more liable for "Singer's Folly" than Amazon is for the book "Dow 20000" or "How I lost 300 pounds on a diet of dingleberries".


We'd have to build more prisons if being a crackpot was illegal. There are plenty of crackpot books and Internet pages. People telling you federal income tax is illegal and whatnot. Those people will be in jail way before Singer.
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
MoneyLA is no more liable for "Singer's Folly" than Amazon is for the book "Dow 20000" or "How I lost 300 pounds on a diet of dingleberries".


The difference I see is that Amazon presents all products equally with no editorial opinion (but does allow for customer reviews). Amazon does have Singer's book, and I have no problem with that.

Alan's Best Buys are presented as products that have been researched with journalistic integrity and the only best options for the consumer are presented. If the website was renamed to "Alan's Reviews", with a disclaimer that not all products are recommended and may in fact kill babies, then I would have no problem with any product that is reviewed.
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