Brilliant Republican Healthcare Solution: Don’t Take Children With Broken Bones To The ER

Agnes, let me see if I understand you correctly. I've gone to see my family doctor for stitches for the past 57 years, costing a total (that would be the cost to my insurance company, to my government, and to myself), for $300 a pop. You've done so at a cost of $2000 a pop, and somehow you're the genius?

It's so easy for Agnes to spend other folks money.
Huh?!? I'm trying to figure out how I have spent other folks' money. I, nor any family member, have ever done any of your accusations. My husband and I have worked very hard in our 50 years of marriage and have excellent insurance - on par with your so-called "Cadillac" plan.

My only point was that this thread explains why our family doctor's schedule is often delayed. (I might add that she has been our family doctor for many years. She allows us to call or text her with any issue - at any time, at no charge - and she gives advice, calls in Rx, etc. I've always figured that was a great way to save time and money.)

Upon reflection, I will admit to having gone to $35 co-pay Urgent Care once for several stitches needed after a kitchen injury on a Saturday afternoon. Afterwards I did see my $5 co-pay family doctor for removal of the stitches. But I will consider removing them myself next time to save more money.

I'm still trying to figure out how I spend others folks' money.

Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with their experience.
George Carlin.
Urgent Care Clinics are designed to handle things like basic broken bones, getting a few stiches, run of the mill things that maybe your doctor can't see you for right then. Save the ER visits for major stuff like heavy bleeding, concussion or possible heart attack.

People without insurance don't have a doctor...doctors dont like to accept new patients who don't have insurance - so they don't accept them. Its that simple. Cool, huh? that's why uninsured people go to the ER for stuff a regular doctor can do at a far cheaper price. It would help if Republicans in Congress would educate themselves on this basic dynamic so as to avoid making moronic points like the one pointed to at the beginning of this thread.

fOR THE LAST 7 YEARS Republicans could sit in the peanut gallery and feed mindless ideology to their base that no sane expert of any political orientation would bless. But now they have to govern. They have to actually be thoughtful, listen to experts, and weigh consequences with their ideas - because now their ideas will actually matter and impact lives. Giving a microphone to Representative Huizenga was not a good start. Hopefully they'll send him on vacation when the actual bill gets put together.
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People without insurance don't have a doctor...doctors dont like to accept new patients who don't have insurance - so they don't accept them. Its that simple. Cool, huh? that's why uninsured people go to the ER for stuff a regular doctor can do at a far cheaper price.

One of the great promises of Obamacare was that with all the newly insured people, the program would pay for itself because of less abuse of Emergency Care. Unfortunately that has simply not been the case.

Contrary to goals, Emergency Room visits increase under Obacare.

"Three-quarters of emergency physicians say they've seen ER patient visits surge since Obamacare took effect — just the opposite of what many Americans expected would happen"

People thought getting low cost, government subsided health insurance would get them back into the mainstream of American healthcare...with their own Doctors and everything. Then they found out that there weren't enough primary doctors to go around. Then they found out that their deductibles and out of pocket costs meant they were still paying for their own health care that they couldn't afford. So they just continued to use the Emergency Care anyway....because they didn't have a family doctor and still couldn't afford their medical care...and the Emergency rooms have to treat them. Cool, huh?

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
People without insurance don't have a doctor...doctors dont like to accept new patients who don't have insurance - so they don't accept them. Its that simple. Cool, huh? that's why uninsured people go to the ER for stuff a regular doctor can do at a far cheaper price.

One of the great promises of Obamacare was that with all the newly insured people, the program would pay for itself because of less abuse of Emergency Care. Unfortunately that has simply not been the case.

Contrary to goals, Emergency Room visits increase under Obacare.

"Three-quarters of emergency physicians say they've seen ER patient visits surge since Obamacare took effect — just the opposite of what many Americans expected would happen"

People thought getting low cost, government subsided health insurance would get them back into the mainstream of American healthcare...with their own Doctors and everything. Then they found out that there weren't enough primary doctors to go around. Then they found out that their deductibles and out of pocket costs meant they were still paying for their own health care that they couldn't afford. So they just continued to use the Emergency Care anyway....because they didn't have a family doctor and still couldn't afford their medical care...and the Emergency rooms have to treat them. Cool, huh?


so if Paul Ryan dispels the Medicaid expansion from Obamacare as he proposes and sends 10 million people back to the streets,....you are saying that won't impact ER visits? And where would you suggest those people go since they don't have a doctor or insurance?

A significant part of our population lives at an income level that makes any healthcare costs unaffordable. The question needs to be asked what level of care should they receive. Because even a $100 bill is going to be beyond their means to pay
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Originally posted by: MissChampagne
Urgent Care Clinics are designed to handle things like basic broken bones, getting a few stiches, run of the mill things that maybe your doctor can't see you for right then. Save the ER visits for major stuff like heavy bleeding, concussion or possible heart attack.



That's true, but Urgent Care facilities are not usually open 24 hours,don't accept all insurance and many don't take medicaid. I know that when I woke up on Christmas Day a few years ago with an infected boil that was the size of a baseball, the two closest to me didn't take my insurance and wouldn't treat me without me giving them a credit card up front.
An ER can't do that.
We absolutely need to wean folks off of the ERs and into Urgent Care but its not easy.
Agnes, who pays the great majority of the bill when you go to the emergency room? Unless your last name is "The Insurance Company", then someone else is paying the bill.

One of the greatest problems with Liberalism is that when no fee is charged for a service, Liberals believe that this service costs nothing. Agnes, in fact, strongly made this point when writing "I'm trying to figure out how I have spent other folks' money." I assure you, Agnes, that when people unnecessarily go to the emergency room, it's a great waste of someone's money. In your case, it's your wasting your company's money, as premiums are tied to user expenses.

And the next time the union negotiates a new labor contract, these expenses will be considered by the company. Pissing away your company's money at the emergency room decreases the likelihood of your Cadillac insurance plan being so luxurious in the future.

As I accurately stated, it's easy to some someone else's money.



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Huh?!? I, nor any family member, have ever done any of your accusations. My husband and I have worked very hard in our 50 years of marriage and have excellent insurance - on par with your so-called "Cadillac" plan.

My only point was that this thread explains why our family doctor's schedule is often delayed. (I might add that she has been our family doctor for many years. She allows us to call or text her with any issue - at any time, at no charge - and she gives advice, calls in Rx, etc. I've always figured that was a great way to save time and money.)

Upon reflection, I will admit to having gone to $35 co-pay Urgent Care once for several stitches needed after a kitchen injury on a Saturday afternoon. Afterwards I did see my $5 co-pay family doctor for removal of the stitches. But I will consider removing them myself next time to save more money.

I'm still trying to figure out how I spend others folks' money.


"you are saying that won't impact ER visits? And where would you suggest those people go since they don't have a doctor or insurance?"

pj previously echoed the obama claim that ER visits would go down with obamacare & we would save money. We now know this along with most other obamacare claims were not true
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