Can you come close to even with VP in Vegas area

As above posts show, there are decent paytables available around town. Something to remember is the time factor. If you come in for four days and play strickly VP, with good schedules and play, you can still lose at the end of the stay. I've been in a draught the last couple of years on VP. I play the same games with the same schedules using the same strategies as I did prior to this period. The difference is luck. I only play a couple of hours a day. This is a very short "time" sample in terms of play. Three times that much actually is. A game that is mathmatically a 100% game with perfect play is based on the life of that game. That life includes many upswings and downswings. Considering this, I might have had a RF each of those trips rather than losing. It's all a matter of timing. The better schedules just give you a chance to play the same money for longer periods, thus giving you a better chance of catching upswings. Read thr TRs of the members that play a lot of VP (in addition to telling the truth) and you'll see the ups and downs. Even the VP pros will tell you the same. They don't win every day.

Good Luck!
Ric ar Joes

You will find that LV or Reno are paradises for your type of player. For quarter single play there is plenty of FPDW around. For dollar and multi-play there is 10/7 DB, NSUD and JOB. I stay away from these exotic games like "Super Duper Triple Double Bonus" that may have obscure strategy deviations. By learning just the FPDW and JOB strategies, you can, with tiny variations, be an "expert" at 5 the following games-and you don't have to pay some guy with a fake name for strategy cards, software or trinkets-they are available for free on the web.

1. JOB
2. 10/7 DB
3. 8-5 BP
4. FPDW
5. NSUD

Slow down your play so you don't get a headache and make sure to sip some of that free booooooze-life is too short to play 1000 hands an hour and drink black coffee at a casino like these sad deluded "pro's" do.
Do you know what a "pro" really is?
Check out this 30 second video for the answer:


What VP "pro's" REALLY are!




To show that you don't have to be a pro (sic) to get a RF:
Royal Flush Atlantis Reno

Wow Ric, that was quite a post. Of course there are "pros" who say they dont win every day but they win every year!

I find it ironic, and/or moronic, that some forum users doubt anyone and possibly every person who claims to earn profits on an annual basis from VP.

Whether those other claimants are being truthful or not, whether exaggerated or not, whether credibility is decided accompanied pictures or .pdf files of W2G's, it's still rather rude to imply they do not sustain their averages, or that they are not being truthful, all the while adamantly defending similar statements from "famous" pros with special skills, and their "special" plays that may go against the statistical norm and expected probability.

Many of those other "pros" keep detailed records of their sessions. And they may or may not consider themselves true professionals because they have other income streams, and only play "part time". Yet, they are also "pros" in that they have learned the strategies, have the necessary skills, and play many hours.

Certainly they may not earn enough to live on in the lifestyle they have been accustomed to, or would like, but they still earn a positive profit in the long term, whether a few cents per hour, or many dollars. After several years of profits and correct play, they "know" they show a long term expectation of profit, and that fact alone should make them a "pro".

Call them what you will, whether "pro" or just a "player".

My point is that there is NO reason to suggest or imply that a person's claims are untruthful.

That would mean that anyone, and everyone who posts on this forum, or any forum is a liar.

And that would apply to everyone for every topic.

Unfortunately, some may not read these words I've written, since I am on "Ignore". In the city of the blind, the one eyed man is King.

I don't doubt it for a minute. I have been playing at "a profit" for 25 years at FPDW and 10/7 DB. I guess I'm a "pro" then. I'm not too impressed though-I could probably teach a monkey to play FPDW at over 100%-as long as he didn't play at the insane speeds some insist on playing.
A "profit" is worlds apart from "a living" and that's what a "pro" really is. Can one make enough to live on. Say 3, 4 or 5 thousand a month-EVERY month?
It would be moronic to think that anyone other than Steve Wynn, the Gaughans, Ferrita's, Adelson, Ruffin, PT's, Dotty's, etc. can reliably make "a living" at VP in 2011. Not in Nevada anyway-maybe they have better games in Venus or Narnia.

Yes, in NV there are many people making a living playing VP. Your continued rants will not change that fact ... sorry. But, that is not what the OP was asking, was it? The OP was just interested in breaking even so I have no idea why you had to insert this nonsense.

Now, hopefully, we can get back on topic.

Riiiiiiiight. Which is why you live in.......MINNESOTA

No, I live in MN because my wife is ill and the health care is much better.

Can you come close to even with VP in Vegas area?

yes