CIA torture report

Who says anything about crazy Islamists? Its any future combat scenario ....anywhere.... anytime. We've now given the green light to any future enemy to torture our soldiers. And why? because draft-dodging chicken-hawks have shown the world that's how we treat our prisoners. I'm not cool with that. I'm sorry you are.

How effective has the Geneva Convention agreement been while protecting American soldiers in the hands of Islamist radicals?

PJ won't answer the question, but ya'll know the answer.

PJ again doesn't answer the question.

I'll answer. The Geneva Convention isn't upheld by terrorists. Happy?

To which I say - "So what?" it is upheld by a multitude of countries - including the US. And we've now broken that promise which gives everyone else the rationalization to do the same in the future. Boilerman wont ever have to worry about being captured on a battlefield - so he can put on his big-boy pants and talk tough with draft-dodging coward, Dick Cheney. How brave. But some people actually give a shit about the people who fight for our country.

I'll take my advice on the effectiveness of torture from people who have experienced it - like John McCain.

You may be right but I don't think so. Any war (God forbid) in the conventional sense, you know, armys against armys, country against country, might be fought old school and I suspect the US as well as the adversary would adhere to the Geneva convention. The guys we're figjting now are phantoms and fight the "dirtiest" of anybody, it seems there are no limits and no rules to them. Sometimes you migjt have to sink a littel lower that your normal standard. There's no doubt in my mind the USwould strictly adhere to the Geneva convention in a conventional war. But who knows, you may be right PJ.

I'm just curious. The Taliban just killed 132 school children and 9 staff at a school in Pakistan.

If credible intelligence reports said this was going to be forthcoming, but they didn't know where, would our liberals still believe it was wrong to water board someone who knew all of the details for the planned attack?

I roomed with three friends during my Labor Day Vegas trip. One buddy was Ted, who retired seven years ago as a Chief Warrant Officer 5 after some 27 years as an Army Apache pilot. He did two one year stints in Iraq, and I support Ted's position on torture..............the same position he took while his feet were on the ground in Iraq.

The United States will abide by the Geneva Convention if we fight Russia. There is no reason to do so with ISIS.

Not quite there PJ,

The Geneva Conventions were created to provide a frame work of civilized warfare to help protect CIVILIANS/Non-combatants, to AVOID repeats of Dresden and the dropping of atomic bombs on civilian populations. To have soldiers be clearly identified so innocents can be spared the horrors of being targeted and killed.

I am going to ask the question that should put quite a few of you on the defensive. Have you served in the military? Have you been stationed in a foreign country where some of the native populace would rather see you dead?

The subject of some of the methods used by the CIA classified as "torture" are widely used to train pilots and others as part of their survival training. Sleep deprivation and confinement in small places for long periods of time have been apart of survival training ever since the 1960's. (the training was changed greatly after the Koren War after it was found out the North Korean's tortured their pow's.)

Here is the 64k question, your child is being held hostage and the police have a suspect in custody. If given 5 minutes alone with the person, what would YOU do?

Btw, in the real world we are not talking about 1 or 2 lives, we typically talk about thousands or millions...Stalin killed 100 MILION, Hitler was responsible for 20 to 30 Million and BOTH used methods far harsher than anything the CIA came up with.

I suggest that you watch this episode of Under Orders, Under Fire. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERgbXRTC_K4

I watched it on TV way about in 1989 or so. Really opened my eyes and was very thought provoking. It touches on a lot of ethical considerations in the battlefield from some top notch folks.