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pjstroh
pjstroh
Dec 17, 2014
10:14pm
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Please provide more specifics about what happened and I'll answer.



Read the link in my last post.

Or you can use Google and research yourself. Thats what people do when they want information in the 21st century. Ya know - instead of asking questions to other people on a Las Vegas Message Board.
Boilerman
Boilerman
Dec 17, 2014
10:34pm
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The article in no way proves that Japanese were convicted because of waterboarding. It simply points out that prosecutors included waterboarding in the charges. I thought that you must have something better than this.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Please provide more specifics about what happened and I'll answer.



Read the link in my last post.

Or you can use Google and research yourself. Thats what people do when they want information in the 21st century. Ya know - instead of asking questions to other people on a Las Vegas Message Board.


pjstroh
pjstroh
Dec 17, 2014
10:40pm
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
The article in no way proves that Japanese were convicted because of waterboarding. It simply points out that prosecutors included waterboarding in the charges. I thought that you must have something better than this.


Yes! Part of the charges of war crimes. Were those charges justified? Or not?
Below is another article. it took me 2 minutes to find it on Google.
We know you are not a massive hypocrite, Boilerman, so I'm sure you'll answer the question.

Japanese soldier convicted specifically on the charge of waterboarding

"In the aftermath of World War II, Japanese officer Yukio Asano is charged by a US war crimes tribunal for torturing a US civilian. Asano had used the technique of “waterboarding” on the prisoner (see 1800 and After). The civilian was strapped to a stretcher with his feet in the air and head towards the floor, and water was poured over his face, causing him to gasp for air until he agreed to talk. Asano is convicted and sentenced to 15 years of hard labor."
forkushV
forkushV
Dec 18, 2014
12:04am
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
I'm just curious. The Taliban just killed 132 school children and 9 staff at a school in Pakistan.

If credible intelligence reports said this was going to be forthcoming, but they didn't know where, would our liberals still believe it was wrong to water board someone who knew all of the details for the planned attack?
Oh you mean like in the TV shows? - the bomb's countdown clock beeping, the hero wiping sweat from his brow, and the swarthy prisoner, who is just starting to crack. But will he reveal the secret code in time TO SAVE THE WHOLE WORLD FROM BLOWING UP??

Grow up.

In the real world it doesn't happen like that. Besides, when torture gets a prisoner to talk, is it the truth or is it a lie? Good question, and one you can't answer.

But to answer your question, my answer is no, I wouldn't advocate torture in you fantasy. Nor would I have tortured to try and get Rommel's plans at El Alamein. Nor would I torture a murder suspect to try and get a conviction - to prevent him from killing again.

But Roulette Man, you'd torture in lots of instances wouldn't you. So would the average member of the Taliban. That isn't a coincidence.

Boilerman
Boilerman
Dec 18, 2014
12:45am
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Did the prisoner being waterboarded die? Virtually all did while in the hands of the Japanese.

I've looked for some time today to find a pre 9/11 article about Japanese torture. Unfortunately they're hard to come by on the net. The concern is that one can write a slanted article during an agenda driven process, and fail to offer all of the facts................like the death of the man being tortured. Killing the guy might make it easier to gain a conviction.




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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
The article in no way proves that Japanese were convicted because of waterboarding. It simply points out that prosecutors included waterboarding in the charges. I thought that you must have something better than this.


Yes! Part of the charges of war crimes. Were those charges justified? Or not?
Below is another article. it took me 2 minutes to find it on Google.
We know you are not a massive hypocrite, Boilerman, so I'm sure you'll answer the question.

Japanese soldier convicted specifically on the charge of waterboarding

"In the aftermath of World War II, Japanese officer Yukio Asano is charged by a US war crimes tribunal for torturing a US civilian. Asano had used the technique of “waterboarding” on the prisoner (see 1800 and After). The civilian was strapped to a stretcher with his feet in the air and head towards the floor, and water was poured over his face, causing him to gasp for air until he agreed to talk. Asano is convicted and sentenced to 15 years of hard labor."


Boilerman
Boilerman
Dec 18, 2014
12:50am
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It happened all the time. We captured guys who knew of pending attacks on Americans and others, and these attacks where to happen within a certain time frame. The clock was ticking, and torture was used to gain intelligence in a more timely fashion and this saved lives.

Why didn't the Democrats interview those running the program, if not wanted to avoid the truth.


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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
I'm just curious. The Taliban just killed 132 school children and 9 staff at a school in Pakistan.

If credible intelligence reports said this was going to be forthcoming, but they didn't know where, would our liberals still believe it was wrong to water board someone who knew all of the details for the planned attack?
Oh you mean like in the TV shows? - the bomb's countdown clock beeping, the hero wiping sweat from his brow, and the swarthy prisoner, who is just starting to crack. But will he reveal the secret code in time TO SAVE THE WHOLE WORLD FROM BLOWING UP??

Grow up.

In the real world it doesn't happen like that. Besides, when torture gets a prisoner to talk, is it the truth or is it a lie? Good question, and one you can't answer.

But to answer your question, my answer is no, I wouldn't advocate torture in you fantasy. Nor would I have tortured to try and get Rommel's plans at El Alamein. Nor would I torture a murder suspect to try and get a conviction - to prevent him from killing again.

But Roulette Man, you'd torture in lots of instances wouldn't you. So would the average member of the Taliban. That isn't a coincidence.


pjstroh
pjstroh
Dec 18, 2014
2:12am
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Did the prisoner being waterboarded die? Virtually all did while in the hands of the Japanese.

I've looked for some time today to find a pre 9/11 article about Japanese torture. Unfortunately they're hard to come by on the net. The concern is that one can write a slanted article during an agenda driven process, and fail to offer all of the facts................like the death of the man being tortured. Killing the guy might make it easier to gain a conviction.



Boilerman cant answer the question because he thinks waterboarding is not the exclusive charge. Then Boilerman cant answer the question because he doesn't know if the man died or not. And finally Boilerman cant answer the question because he cant acknowledge the accuracy of Pulitizer prize winning fact checking sources used to back up facts.

Lets remember this post next time Boilerman cries about people not answering his questions.


But dont worry, Boiler, beyond making a point I'm cool with your massively hypocritical dodge. Statements and opinions dont take the form of a question which is why I answer my own questions instead of cowardly demanding you to.

Allow me to demonstrate:
We tried and convicted the scumbags that torturered our troops in WWII because those were actions of cowardly, sadistic scumbags. That was the verdict of both their actions and motivations. I believe we were just in doing it. And because I'm not a hypocrite I think its equally scummy when our country tortures people too.
Roulette Man
Roulette Man
Dec 18, 2014
2:21am
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
I'm just curious. The Taliban just killed 132 school children and 9 staff at a school in Pakistan.

If credible intelligence reports said this was going to be forthcoming, but they didn't know where, would our liberals still believe it was wrong to water board someone who knew all of the details for the planned attack?
Oh you mean like in the TV shows? - the bomb's countdown clock beeping, the hero wiping sweat from his brow, and the swarthy prisoner, who is just starting to crack. But will he reveal the secret code in time TO SAVE THE WHOLE WORLD FROM BLOWING UP??

Grow up.

In the real world it doesn't happen like that. Besides, when torture gets a prisoner to talk, is it the truth or is it a lie? Good question, and one you can't answer.

But to answer your question, my answer is no, I wouldn't advocate torture in you fantasy. Nor would I have tortured to try and get Rommel's plans at El Alamein. Nor would I torture a murder suspect to try and get a conviction - to prevent him from killing again.

But Roulette Man, you'd torture in lots of instances wouldn't you. So would the average member of the Taliban. That isn't a coincidence.

Yet another case where Forkie is a coward and puts words in my mouth. I suggest you grow up. You really have an odd set of morals. Better to let thousands die than to step on the rights of a terrorist. How noble of you.
Boilerman
Boilerman
Dec 18, 2014
3:57am
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I've not been able to learn all the facts, and nor has PJ. What is apparent is that we have a Liberal writer who is presenting a slanted view of history, purposely leaving out plenty of facts.

I have learned that the Japanese killed virtually all prisoners during these torture events, and I imagine that the waterboard even ended in death for the prisoner. What does PJ think?

I've been unable to find an article written at the time that the Japanese were convicted. I imagine such an article would present the facts, all of the facts............unlike PJ's article which limits the truth in an effort to promote an agenda. Liberals are so comfortable presenting a false sense of history.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Did the prisoner being waterboarded die? Virtually all did while in the hands of the Japanese.

I've looked for some time today to find a pre 9/11 article about Japanese torture. Unfortunately they're hard to come by on the net. The concern is that one can write a slanted article during an agenda driven process, and fail to offer all of the facts................like the death of the man being tortured. Killing the guy might make it easier to gain a conviction.



Boilerman cant answer the question because he thinks waterboarding is not the exclusive charge. Then Boilerman cant answer the question because he doesn't know if the man died or not. And finally Boilerman cant answer the question because he cant acknowledge the accuracy of Pulitizer prize winning fact checking sources used to back up facts.

Lets remember this post next time Boilerman cries about people not answering his questions.


But dont worry, Boiler, beyond making a point I'm cool with your massively hypocritical dodge. Statements and opinions dont take the form of a question which is why I answer my own questions instead of cowardly demanding you to.

Allow me to demonstrate:
We tried and convicted the scumbags that torturered our troops in WWII because those were actions of cowardly, sadistic scumbags. That was the verdict of both their actions and motivations. I believe we were just in doing it. And because I'm not a hypocrite I think its equally scummy when our country tortures people too.


pjstroh
pjstroh
Dec 18, 2014
4:11am
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
I've not been able to learn all the facts, and nor has PJ. What is apparent is that we have a Liberal writer who is presenting a slanted view of history, purposely leaving out plenty of facts.


Seeing as how the victims of torture testified at the trials it would stand to reason they weren't dead. And Boilerman runs away from Pulitizer prize winning journalism behind the "liberal bias" card.

Next time you demand an answer to a question everyone should remember to point and laugh at you. I know I will. Happy Holidays.

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