Vegas Free-for-All - CIA torture report

drmilled

Dec 10, 2014
2:24am

Bottom line- To fight and defeat any enemy sometimes one must get down to their level. Take the gutless bleeding heart liberals out of the decision making - they are better of stirring up shit than making decisions that require rational, intelligent thought. The ObeyMe administration is the worst choice to be in charge of our nation's security. Let real men do the thinking and decision making - not the vote pandering, gutless lifer politicians.

alanleroy

Dec 10, 2014
2:33am

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There are four lights!

pjstroh

Dec 10, 2014
2:45am

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Originally posted by: drmilled
Bottom line- To fight and defeat any enemy sometimes one must get down to their level. Take the gutless bleeding heart liberals out of the decision making - they are better of stirring up shit than making decisions that require rational, intelligent thought. The ObeyMe administration is the worst choice to be in charge of our nation's security. Let real men do the thinking and decision making - not the vote pandering, gutless lifer politicians.

The Obeyme administration banned torture from day 1 ....and then proceeded to find and kill the mastermind behind 911 with real intelligence instead of that which gave us a multi-trillion dollar mistake in Iraq.

Torture gave us a lie. Real intelligence gave us the truth. And you know who agrees with that?...the "vote pandering, gutless lifer politician" that DrMilled voted for president in 2008.

hoops2

Dec 10, 2014
2:52am

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"and then proceeded to find and kill the mastermind behind 911 with real intelligence "

And then let the man who gave him the information leading to osama's death go to prison

"It was the Obama administration that sealed the fate of the Pakistani doctor jailed for helping nail Usama Bin Laden, by divulging key details after the fact and dooming any chance Shakil Afridi's cover story could win his freedom, according to a confidential Pakistani report."

Boilerman

Dec 10, 2014
2:53am

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The CIA claims that ABL was found with intelligence that was gleaned during torture. The folks who generated this partisan report have no way to know if this is true as they didn't bother to speak with the folks performed the torture and they didn't bother to speak with the folks who utilizing the information gained during the torture.

PJ, years ago you would have looked at this report with total skepticism after learned of it's lack of fact finding. What happened?

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Originally posted by: drmilled
Bottom line- To fight and defeat any enemy sometimes one must get down to their level. Take the gutless bleeding heart liberals out of the decision making - they are better of stirring up shit than making decisions that require rational, intelligent thought. The ObeyMe administration is the worst choice to be in charge of our nation's security. Let real men do the thinking and decision making - not the vote pandering, gutless lifer politicians.

pjstroh

Dec 10, 2014
3:06am

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Senator, Former POW, and 2008 Boilerman endorsed presidential candidate, John McCain:

“I know from personal experience that the abuse of prisoners will produce more bad than good intelligence,” he said. “I know that victims of torture will offer intentionally misleading information if they think their captors will believe it. I know they will say whatever they think their torturers want them to say if they believe it will stop their suffering.”

He closed by saying he believed the country gave up far more in honor than what it obtained in intelligence. “We need only remember in the worst of times, through the chaos and terror of war, when facing cruelty, suffering and loss, that we are always Americans, and different, stronger and better than those who would destroy us.

Boilerman

Dec 10, 2014
3:23am

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If PJ is implying that Boiler agrees with everything that a candidate stands for, then PJ is yet again incorrect.

I've asked you about 5 questions. Will PJ again dodge?

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Senator, Former POW, and 2008 Boilerman endorsed presidential candidate, John McCain:

“I know from personal experience that the abuse of prisoners will produce more bad than good intelligence,” he said. “I know that victims of torture will offer intentionally misleading information if they think their captors will believe it. I know they will say whatever they think their torturers want them to say if they believe it will stop their suffering.”

He closed by saying he believed the country gave up far more in honor than what it obtained in intelligence. “We need only remember in the worst of times, through the chaos and terror of war, when facing cruelty, suffering and loss, that we are always Americans, and different, stronger and better than those who would destroy us.

pjstroh

Dec 10, 2014
3:29am

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Originally posted by: Boilerman

I've asked you about 5 questions. Will PJ again dodge?

Yes I will ! Thanks for asking. You had lots of questions about Bengazhi too. Apparently you weren't embarrassed enough to learn the lesson that facts don't end with question marks. If you have something to say then have the courage to actually say it instead of cowardly asking someone else too.

O2bnVegas

Dec 10, 2014
3:33am

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A lot of medical therapies in use today could be considered by anyone to constitute "torture" if you didn't understand them and their purpose. Placement of all manner of tubes in body parts (nose, throat, chest, urethra (bladder), stomach, rectum, vagina, arteries, veins) for therapeutic purposes sound horrific.

Diane Feinstein reflects an American cultural obsession with self-flagelation for perceived sins and shortcomings, and telling the world about them.

Whatever was contained in that report needed to be kept within the confines of those who have anything to do about the subject, not a gut-spilling sobbing confessional to the world. Talk about damage to America and Americans, this takes the biscuit.

drmilled

Dec 10, 2014
3:33am

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PJ at his best- when confronted with real questions, he crawfishes. Typical liberal.

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