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CIA torture report

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forkushV

Dec 11, 2014
1:05am

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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
THERE WAS NO TORTURE. Nothing in that report was torture. Except reading it.

forkushV

Dec 11, 2014
1:08am

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
I consider it torture, and this torture was the correct thing to do given the circumstances. During such difficult times, one needs to make a choice on the better of multiple evils. This was the best choice, and we should still be doing it today...

Another statement Saddam would endorse! Or Torquemada. Or Tojo. Or Isis. Just another version of "It's okay if we do it."

Boilerman, you guys have so much in common.

Boilerman

Dec 11, 2014
1:36am

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Does Lurker realize that people die during war. Does Lurker prefer Obama's policies to Bush's? Bush attempted to capture and gain intelligence from these bad guys. This allowed us to stop things like the Benghazi event.

Obama sends out a drone flown by some guy in Florida, and bombs a location which often kills plenty of innocent people. Bush's policy is more effective and kills fewer innocent people.

Now Lurker, why is killing innocent people with drones better than torture? The third option is dying, by the way.

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Originally posted by: LurkerPoster
How wonderful, we scream blood and murder when some terrorist is beheading one of our own. But at the same time we applaud torture. Talking about double standards. Do some of you even realize the whole world is able to read this? Do you actually think you're leaving a positive image of Americans?

LurkerPoster

Dec 11, 2014
1:48am

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Does Lurker realize that people die during war. Does Lurker prefer Obama's policies to Bush's? Bush attempted to capture and gain intelligence from these bad guys. This allowed us to stop things like the Benghazi event.

Obama sends out a drone flown by some guy in Florida, and bombs a location which often kills plenty of innocent people. Bush's policy is more effective and kills fewer innocent people.

Now Lurker, why is killing innocent people with drones better than torture? The third option is dying, by the way.

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Originally posted by: LurkerPoster
How wonderful, we scream blood and murder when some terrorist is beheading one of our own. But at the same time we applaud torture. Talking about double standards. Do some of you even realize the whole world is able to read this? Do you actually think you're leaving a positive image of Americans?

If Boilerchild actually thinks Bush's foreign policies were more effective than Obama's and cost less human life, I suggest Boilerchild gets his head examined. I think there has been no other American president that created more enemies than Bush Jr. And let's not get into the financial disaster he steared this country into. Yes, in wars people die, but while we tell the rest of the world how they should live, we create scandal after scandal, proving we talk the talk but don't walk the walk. In other words: practice what you preach or shut up. We invade Iraq because Sadam tortured his own people, but at the same time we approve torturing our enemies. If you don't see the double standard I have no hope for you.

LurkerPoster

Dec 11, 2014
2:08am

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
George Bush generated a list of reasons of why we needed to remove Hussein and his sons from power.

And as we all know....it was his job and his job alone to decide which country leader could hold on to his position and who had to leave, right?

And one other thing, how convenient not to mention we didn't give a rats ass about such a list when we were delivering shiploads of weapons to Iraq to kill those pesky Iranians. Because, well, you know, all Iranians are terrorists right? Civilian life has no value because they kidnapped some of our folks decades ago. Right? [Sarcasm off]

Do you have an idea how much toxic waist your beloved Bush Jr. left in Iraq while "doing the right thing"?

Boilerman

Dec 11, 2014
2:10am

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Lurker, we invaded Iraq because Saddam Hussein failed on his agreement to allow United Nations inspectors full access to his country.

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Originally posted by: LurkerPoster

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Does Lurker realize that people die during war. Does Lurker prefer Obama's policies to Bush's? Bush attempted to capture and gain intelligence from these bad guys. This allowed us to stop things like the Benghazi event.

Obama sends out a drone flown by some guy in Florida, and bombs a location which often kills plenty of innocent people. Bush's policy is more effective and kills fewer innocent people.

Now Lurker, why is killing innocent people with drones better than torture? The third option is dying, by the way.

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Originally posted by: LurkerPoster
How wonderful, we scream blood and murder when some terrorist is beheading one of our own. But at the same time we applaud torture. Talking about double standards. Do some of you even realize the whole world is able to read this? Do you actually think you're leaving a positive image of Americans?

LurkerPoster

Dec 11, 2014
2:16am

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True, but you and I both know the list was a lot longer than that. He needed a lot more to convince his international partners to invade Iraq because that argument alone wasn't enough to get the support he expected. And tada, there were the WMD's, affiliation to Al Qaida, stories about human rights violations, etc. And still, he didn't get the support he expected. At that point HE decided to go in anyhow. Don't expect others to swallow your narrow views please.

We also know Bush Jr. just HAD to finish his dad's job. And we also know that a lot of other partners within the UNITED NATIONS were against his move. Bush Jr.'s foreign policy was all about "you are with us or against us". With that approach (which always fails in foreign politics) more and more countries went from "with" to "against". And you actually seem to be proud of that. I kinda wonder if you'd still have that opinion after a number of years of war in your own country.

And do you want to hear the funniest part of this all? I was actually in favor of invading Iraq to get rid off Sadam. BUT, I didn't quite appreciate the approach. Bush should have formed a wider international coalition and work with the UN instead of going around them.

Roulette Man

Dec 11, 2014
3:11am

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Originally posted by: forkushV

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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
THERE WAS NO TORTURE. Nothing in that report was torture. Except reading it.

LOL. Politifact? How do you have the guts to even show yourself after posting something from that sham organization?

forkushV

Dec 11, 2014
3:52am

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Originally posted by: Roulette Man

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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
THERE WAS NO TORTURE. Nothing in that report was torture. Except reading it.

LOL. Politifact? How do you have the guts to even show yourself after posting something from that sham organization?

Really?

jatki

Dec 11, 2014
3:59am

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I understand waterboarding is an unpleasant experience and I watched some videos on youtube that attest to the fact but, still, it's not like pulling fingernails out or burning with lit cigars or anything. There's no permanent damage from it. Now that there forced rectal feeding..........I might have to concede..

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