The Clinton Archipelago

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Originally posted by: billryan
Have I ever complained that she should have won, based on the popular vote.
I have not, but truth isn't very important to some people. I do have some issues with the EC and if your brain retained what it read, you'd recall me posting about them back in September, months before the election. I think it's outdated and is one of the few things Trump said before the election I agree with. I think it discourages people from voting. Why would a Republican in California bother to vote?
I'm simply pointing out the falsehood of your statement that the EC is based on a states population.
It's simply not. It's based on the number of Congressional Representatives each state has.
People who have poor memory and spread falsehoods generally don't do very well in life.

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Originally posted by: billryan
Wyoming has one Electoral vote for each 200,000 residents. No other state comes close to that. If California had one EC vote per 200,000 residents, with close to 40 million people, it would have almost 200 votes. Population is part of the formula. Not the formula. Didn't any of you take Civics? The smaller states are over-represented in the EC. Always have been.
The census determines how many people a state gets in the House. The House is not the Electoral College.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh

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Originally posted by: OddsWrkin
Winning the popular vote in a Presidential election has the same significance as having the most total yards in a football game. It's a nice statistic, but has nothing to do with how we keep score.

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And that is a truly sad fact.

In 2 of the last 7 Presidential elections Republicans have made it clear their message does not resonate with a majority of our nations' people....only a majority of our nation's land mass.

a "nation of, by, and for the people" ......the key word their being people (not states).

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Originally posted by: IndyBoilerman
What's your point? Is Billy arguing that the Constitution should be changed?

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Originally posted by: billryan
Wyoming has one Electoral vote for each 200,000 residents. No other state comes close to that. If California had one EC vote per 200,000 residents, with close to 40 million people, it would have almost 200 votes. Population is part of the formula. Not the formula. Didn't any of you take Civics? The smaller states are over-represented in the EC. Always have been.
The census determines how many people a state gets in the House. The House is not the Electoral College.

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Originally posted by: billryan

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Originally posted by: IndyBoilerman
What's your point? Is Billy arguing that the Constitution should be changed?

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Originally posted by: billryan
Wyoming has one Electoral vote for each 200,000 residents. No other state comes close to that. If California had one EC vote per 200,000 residents, with close to 40 million people, it would have almost 200 votes. Population is part of the formula. Not the formula. Didn't any of you take Civics? The smaller states are over-represented in the EC. Always have been.
The census determines how many people a state gets in the House. The House is not the Electoral College.

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No, I am not, but I'd be fine if it were. My only point is to correct Fritzs incorrect assertion that the Electoral College is based on population.
There is a movement to break some of the bigger states into several smaller ones. California into two, maybe three, breaking NYC away from NY State,perhaps breaking Texas into two or more. I am an advocate of at least looking into those possibilities. It makes no sense to me states can vary in size from forty million to several hundred thousand in population.
The Governor of California has almost more state employees than some states have residents.

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Originally posted by: billryan
The system was set up so that locals could vote for a person that they could trust to vote for the right person. As originally done, the ballots had only the electors names on it. You had a choice of two or three local people that you knew, if only by reputation. You voted for the person you thought best represented your political views. The winner of your local ballot then went to the State convention and there cast a vote for the person he chose.
The votes from the various states were collected and the winner became President, with the second place person becoming Vice President.
That's how the Founding Fathers set it up. It has strayed quite a bit from their original intent. Under the system they envisioned, Hillary would be Vice President and as President of the Senate would be a vital part of the system of checks and balances they put in place to keep any one entity from having too much power.

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