The Clinton Archipelago

It's truly unique to find someone so uninformed....and yet so smug in his arrogance.

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Article II, Section 1, Clause 3 of the Constitution provided the original plan by which the electors chose the president and vice president. Under the original plan, the candidate who received a majority of votes from the electors would become president; the candidate receiving the second most votes would become vice president.


From the Federalist Papers.

The original plan of the Electoral College was based upon several assumptions and anticipations of the Framers of the Constitution:[27]

Individual electors would be elected by citizens on a district-by-district basis.[28]
Each presidential elector would exercise independent judgment when voting.
Candidates would not pair together on the same ticket with assumed placements toward each office of president and vice president.
The system as designed would rarely produce a winner, thus sending the election to Congress.


Unless,of course, Fritz knows more about the intent of the EC than James Madison,James Monroe and Alexander Hamilton. The men who actually designed it.
Best I can tell, Billy's assessment is correct. Then again, I've never known a Liberal to show concern for our founder's original intent. And I've never known a Liberal show concern for a strict interpretation of the Constitution. Well, except in a case like this when it' would benefit their party.



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Originally posted by: billryan
Article II, Section 1, Clause 3 of the Constitution provided the original plan by which the electors chose the president and vice president. Under the original plan, the candidate who received a majority of votes from the electors would become president; the candidate receiving the second most votes would become vice president.


From the Federalist Papers.

The original plan of the Electoral College was based upon several assumptions and anticipations of the Framers of the Constitution:[27]

Individual electors would be elected by citizens on a district-by-district basis.[28]
Each presidential elector would exercise independent judgment when voting.
Candidates would not pair together on the same ticket with assumed placements toward each office of president and vice president.
The system as designed would rarely produce a winner, thus sending the election to Congress.


Unless,of course, Fritz knows more about the intent of the EC than James Madison,James Monroe and Alexander Hamilton. The men who actually designed it.


The Founding Fathers weren't Gods, nor did they write the Constitution in stone. Some of you think changing it amounts to heresy, yet in the case of the EC, it is nothing like they intended or envisioned. Should it be changed? I have mixed feelings. Has it already been changed? Only the ill informed would argue the current set up is what they intended.
Demographics seem to favor the Democrats as Texas and Arizona have a huge Latin population that is not yet of voting age and many people like myself leave the North East for the South West. If I were a Republican leader, I'd deal from strength now rather than wait a decade or two.
I'm still hoping a third or fourth party emerges in my lifetime. One that abandons both extremes.

There's a process to amend the Constitution. Many Liberals believe that the judges should simply ignore the portions of the Constitution that Liberals disagree with. That's not right.



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Originally posted by: billryan
The Founding Fathers weren't Gods, nor did they write the Constitution in stone. Some of you think changing it amounts to heresy, yet in the case of the EC, it is nothing like they intended or envisioned. Should it be changed? I have mixed feelings. Has it already been changed? Only the ill informed would argue the current set up is what they intended.
Demographics seem to favor the Democrats as Texas and Arizona have a huge Latin population that is not yet of voting age and many people like myself leave the North East for the South West. If I were a Republican leader, I'd deal from strength now rather than wait a decade or two.
I'm still hoping a third or fourth party emerges in my lifetime. One that abandons both extremes.


Two Items of Clarification

i. The number of State Electors is the TOTAL of Representatives in the House of Representatives [which is determined by population and adjusted after each National Census] PLUS the number of US Senators [which is 2 for each State]. Thus the population of each State "counts" but the number of Electors is modified by including 2 electors from each state to give the smaller States some protection from dominant larger States, precisely as the Founding Fathers intended.

ii. Because it is part of the US Constitution The Electoral College may be amended in accordance with the procedures provided within the Constitution to amend the Constitution. The 12th amendment did so, providing a separate election of President and Vice-President. It also provided the means by which the US House of Representatives chooses a President and the US Senate chooses a Vice-President if no one candidate receives a majority of the electoral votes.
If/when a sufficient number of citizens demand a change to the Constitutional requirement for the Electoral College, such change can be effected by the procedures for amending the Constitution found within the Constitution precisely as the Founding Fathers intended.
That is exactly my point. Many (I believe most) Liberals would prefer that we simply ignore the constitution, in preference to making up things as we go along.

This is a recipe for disaster and eventual anarchy.


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Originally posted by: DonDiego
Two Items of Clarification

i. The number of State Electors is the TOTAL of Representatives in the House of Representatives [which is determined by population and adjusted after each National Census] PLUS the number of US Senators [which is 2 for each State]. Thus the population of each State "counts" but the number of Electors is modified by including 2 electors from each state to give the smaller States some protection from dominant larger States, precisely as the Founding Fathers intended.

ii. Because it is part of the US Constitution The Electoral College may be amended in accordance with the procedures provided within the Constitution to amend the Constitution. The 12th amendment did so, providing a separate election of President and Vice-President. It also provided the means by which the US House of Representatives chooses a President and the US Senate chooses a Vice-President if no one candidate receives a majority of the electoral votes.
If/when a sufficient number of citizens demand a change to the Constitutional requirement for the Electoral College, such change can be effected by the procedures for amending the Constitution found within the Constitution precisely as the Founding Fathers intended.


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