The Confederate flag

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Originally posted by: chefantwon
I agree with DD here, its a flag and we do have freedom of expression.


Who is saying we don't?

The issue is should government bodies fly this flag?

And, what does the flag represent today?

As a Yankee, I've always associated the confederate flag with the south, rednecks, yee-haw, and stuff like that. I don't necessarily associate the conf flag with pro-slavery or racism. Perhaps I was naive or things have changed.

Some words are more offensive today than they were 30 years ago.

Times change, things change.
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Originally posted by: drmilled
I would like to know why it is OK for some to burn, defecate on, urinate on, stomp on, and deface the American Stars and Stripes - BUT- you morons here and elsewhere are up in arms because some state's and individuals choose to fly the Confederate flag. I am repulsed to know that you morons have no respect for the American flag but appear to be more upset with the very presence of the Confederate flag.


Somebody needs a nap......



Perhaps President Obama could appoint a bipartisan, multiracial, omnigender, trans-religious, multinational team to design a new flag that ushers in an era of tolerance, cooperation, and good will among all Earthers.

The ManKindFlag would replace all other flags in our hearts and minds and bring us together as a Community of Man. That's why in my letter to President Obama, I'm suggesting the team adopt the triskelion design of the Flag of the Isle of Man as a core element of the flag. Of course we can add rainbows and stars and fists and boobies and bancors and such to it in order to recognize both our diversity and commonality. We could even spell out the ManKind Motto in Esperanto.


Flag of the Isle of Man.

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Originally posted by: alanleroy
Perhaps President Obama could appoint a bipartisan, multiracial, omnigender, trans-religious, multinational team to design a new flag that ushers in an era of tolerance, cooperation, and good will among all Earthers.
All amazing hilariousness aside, patriots like me who have studied this land's experiment in liberty know that, depsite the best efforts of some white supremacists seven score and 14 years ago, we already have that flag.




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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
Perhaps President Obama could appoint a bipartisan, multiracial, omnigender, trans-religious, multinational team to design a new flag that ushers in an era of tolerance, cooperation, and good will among all Earthers.
Patriots like me who have studied this land's experiment in liberty and learned how, in the end, it always progresses forward know that we already have that flag.



Well that is a fine national symbol. However, I was suggesting something a little more grandiose....a new international flag for all mankind. That UN Flag just isn't inspiring. There are a lot more 49er flags flying around these parts than UN Flags....In fact there may not even be a single UN Flag flying in all of Fresno...and we've been proud members since 1945.

Maybe the USA could add some new stars to "Old Glory" as a start toward international tolerance and good will. I nominate Puerto Rico and the 6 regions of Mexico as the next US States. Many of these people are already in the process of relocating here anyway so we might as well be one big happy family in liberty.
Individuals and states are entirely different. No state will burn or defecate on an American flag. If you choose to do that, it is your right, and if you are a racist (which of course we all know that you are), it is your right to fly your rebel
flag as high in the sky as you choose. And one other thing. You shouldn't be calling people morons, and then spelling the plural form of state (states) with an apostrophe. That's something that morons do.
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
That's why in my letter to President Obama, I'm suggesting the team adopt the triskelion design of the Flag of the Isle of Man as a core element of the flag. Of course we can add rainbows and stars and fists and boobies and bancors and such to it in order to recognize both our diversity and commonality.



Before DonDiego jumps on alanleroy's proposal, . . .
i. DonDiego asks where exactly would the boobies go on the flag?
ii. DonDiego objects to the inclusion of bancors.
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
That's why in my letter to President Obama, I'm suggesting the team adopt the triskelion design of the Flag of the Isle of Man as a core element of the flag. Of course we can add rainbows and stars and fists and boobies and bancors and such to it in order to recognize both our diversity and commonality.



Before DonDiego jumps on alanleroy's proposal, . . .
i. DonDiego asks where exactly would the boobies go on the flag?
ii. DonDiego objects to the inclusion of bancors.

I. There would be a boobie on each of the Flag's 3 corners.
II. We'll never get beyond worldwide strife and animosity until we have a universal currency and language.

Maybe Volapük would be better than Esperanto or Ido though. And perhaps Bitcoin or a Gold Based Digital Currency can take the place of Bancors...but make no mistake, it will happen....eventually. May take another couple of hundred years and the smartmachines may force it on us....but it will be for our own good.

Since there is obviously so much hurt over the Confederate Battle Flag (and other flags) I was merely trying to offer a more positive alternate flag for all mankind. Let's just look forward....down the path of universal liberty....and what better way to start the conversation than with a new symbol...and what better symbol than a three legged flag?

TV Land has pulled Dukes of Hazard reruns because there is a confederate flag painted on the car, the General Lee.

The only thing I ever found offensive about the Dukes of Hazzard was the awful writing. This is probably taking political correctness too far.

I wonder if Lynyrd Skynyrd is going to get rid of the flag?



TV Land pulls Dukes of Hazard
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Originally posted by: Tutontow
"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery — subordination to the superior race — is his natural and normal condition. [Applause.] This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. "

Anyone can do a search and find the whole speech.
Excellent post.

Here's an excerpt from the State of Texas' Statement of Succession. In it, Texas made clear that it was seceding in order to maintain white supremacy over negroes:

We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.

February 2, 1861.

The whole thing, the WHOLE thing, was about maintaining white dominion over black-skinned human slaves kept as property.

And here's their flag:

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