Vegas Free-for-All - Conservatives/Republicans Your God, Charles Koch, Has Spoken, And You Are Getting Paul Ryan

Conservatives/Republicans Your God, Charles Koch, Has Spoken, And You Are Getting Paul Ryan

Boilerman

Apr 8, 2016
11:12am

Might want to check your delegate count facts.

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Originally posted by: friedmush
For the life of me, I don't understand how you compare the shenanigans of the Republican process with the process and "Liarry" as you like to call her and Bernie. Hillary has 2.4 million more votes than Bernie. Bernie has captured 42 percent of the raw votes, but has 46 percent of the delegates.

I know this place is far right spin more than Rush Limbaugh, but this equivalence makes zero sense to me.

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Originally posted by: lvfritz
Billryan, you've got me wrong. Certainly rules are made to be changed as conditions warrant.....my problem on both sides by the way, is that the rules are likely to changed AFTER the game has been played.

They call this the silly season, and they have never been more correct. Presidential primary elections are rigged right in front of us, and if you are a Liarry fan, you love it. If you are a Socialist fan, maybe not so much. And if you are a Trump fan, well you may have other problems that need attention.

All I want is someone, anyone that I can feel good about voting for....it sure ain't Sanders. It sure ain't Clinton and it sure ain't Trump.

Terry Locke

Apr 8, 2016
11:46am

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You're right, Boiler.

Bernie has 42 percent of the popular vote and 44.53 percent of the pledged delegates, 1030 compared to Liarry's 1,280. This is 44.53 percent rounded up to 45 percent. So Hillary has a wide lead on the popular vote, is winning the delegate race and the Dems are not talking about a coup at the convention.

So you and Fred and tell us why we should paint with a wide brush.

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Might want to check your delegate count facts.

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Originally posted by: friedmush
For the life of me, I don't understand how you compare the shenanigans of the Republican process with the process and "Liarry" as you like to call her and Bernie. Hillary has 2.4 million more votes than Bernie. Bernie has captured 42 percent of the raw votes, but has 46 percent of the delegates.

I know this place is far right spin more than Rush Limbaugh, but this equivalence makes zero sense to me.

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Originally posted by: lvfritz
Billryan, you've got me wrong. Certainly rules are made to be changed as conditions warrant.....my problem on both sides by the way, is that the rules are likely to changed AFTER the game has been played.

They call this the silly season, and they have never been more correct. Presidential primary elections are rigged right in front of us, and if you are a Liarry fan, you love it. If you are a Socialist fan, maybe not so much. And if you are a Trump fan, well you may have other problems that need attention.

All I want is someone, anyone that I can feel good about voting for....it sure ain't Sanders. It sure ain't Clinton and it sure ain't Trump.

billryan

Apr 8, 2016
12:46pm

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Hilary also has about a million more votes than trump.

lvfritz

Apr 8, 2016
12:56pm

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Fried..... What about the application of super delegates?

Bill, Liarry has enjoyed running against 1 opponent while Trump has had as many as 17 opponents..... Looking at vote totals which Liarry likes to do, is not a rational assessment.

Terry Locke

Apr 8, 2016
1:08pm

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Fred, they are not pledged yet. But that's not the point. I'm still not seeing you and Boiler's equivalence of the two parties' races. Hillary leads her campaign by 2.4 million votes and also leads the delegate race. Trump leads the popular vote and the delegate race and the Republicans are conspiring shenanigans.

I'm neither a Hillary fan nor a Democrat, but come on.

LurkerPoster

Apr 8, 2016
4:32pm

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Originally posted by: lvfritz
Fried..... What about the application of super delegates?

while Trump has had as many as 17 opponents.....

You call that opponents? A better name would be muppets. Loosing votes to that selection of brain dead individuals is an accomplishment on its own.

Boilerman

Apr 8, 2016
11:43pm

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I believe that the concern that some have is with the superdelegate count, giving Hillary a 1741 to 1061 delegate lead.

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Originally posted by: friedmush
You're right, Boiler.

Bernie has 42 percent of the popular vote and 44.53 percent of the pledged delegates, 1030 compared to Liarry's 1,280. This is 44.53 percent rounded up to 45 percent. So Hillary has a wide lead on the popular vote, is winning the delegate race and the Dems are not talking about a coup at the convention.

So you and Fred and tell us why we should paint with a wide brush.

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Might want to check your delegate count facts.

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Originally posted by: friedmush
For the life of me, I don't understand how you compare the shenanigans of the Republican process with the process and "Liarry" as you like to call her and Bernie. Hillary has 2.4 million more votes than Bernie. Bernie has captured 42 percent of the raw votes, but has 46 percent of the delegates.

I know this place is far right spin more than Rush Limbaugh, but this equivalence makes zero sense to me.

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Originally posted by: lvfritz
Billryan, you've got me wrong. Certainly rules are made to be changed as conditions warrant.....my problem on both sides by the way, is that the rules are likely to changed AFTER the game has been played.

They call this the silly season, and they have never been more correct. Presidential primary elections are rigged right in front of us, and if you are a Liarry fan, you love it. If you are a Socialist fan, maybe not so much. And if you are a Trump fan, well you may have other problems that need attention.

All I want is someone, anyone that I can feel good about voting for....it sure ain't Sanders. It sure ain't Clinton and it sure ain't Trump.

Boilerman

Apr 9, 2016
12:22am

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I don't care how the Dems run their show, but instead was simply pointing out that you have ignored the superdelegates who've already committed their votes to the criminal, Hillary.

q]Originally posted by: friedmush
Fred, they are not pledged yet. But that's not the point. I'm still not seeing you and Boiler's equivalence of the two parties' races. Hillary leads her campaign by 2.4 million votes and also leads the delegate race. Trump leads the popular vote and the delegate race and the Republicans are conspiring shenanigans.

I'm neither a Hillary fan nor a Democrat, but come on.

alanleroyII

Apr 9, 2016
1:34am

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Both Republican and Democratic rules are designed to perpetuate the political classes and their party hierarchy. In both cases, party insiders are given additional influence over the choice of nominee. This is over and above the people who just vote in primaries or in a caucus.

It's accomplished through many different techniques because the delegate selection process is different in each state. Let's just say many states are creative in the ways they pick their delegates ....and it isn't always based on the candidate who got the majority of votes in their primary. Add to that....rules for the convention can be changed by the 'rules committee' in the days leading up to the delegate vote....

The real question is 'Should my party base it's nominee on the will of all the voters or should those more active or accomplished in the party have a greater say?". I'd caution the parties to follow the will of the majority of their voters and not the demands of their party elite. If you don't, you'll eventually have a different party elite or a lot fewer voters.

Here's how the AlanLeroy Party would nominate our presidential candidate: I'd limit the number of qualified candidates via televised auditions (hosted by Ryan Seacrest) and on-line voting. Then we'd have 3 televised debates. Then, we'll have a nationwide primary conducted completely by mail-in ballot. and reduce the number of candidates to 2. Then over 3 months...3 more debates and a second mail-in primary....the tally for this primary will be based on the same formula as the Electoral College. Whoever wins the most Primary Electoral votes is the nominee. No silly conventions or 50+ primaries all with different rules. Voting is all done in the convenience of your home...and we select the candidate most poised to win an election based on an Electoral College.

alanleroyII

Apr 9, 2016
3:38am

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How interesting the New York Times has just published an article titled: Primary Process Is Seen as in Conflict with Democracy

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