Crying over (paid parking) here.

I won't pay a resort fee.....and I won't pay a parking fee. Simple as that.
When the off strip 'resorts' charge for parking, I guess I'll be done with Vegas.

They won't care and I don't care that they don't care. These mopes could screw up a one car funeral. My interest is when business takes a downturn for them, who or what will they try to pin it on? They sure as hell won't mention resort fees or parking fees.

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Originally posted by: billryan
Every so often, property owners have to weed out the overgrowth to make room for the need growth.
If you want to see where Vegas is headed, swing by a Dayclub where thousands of Millenials have no problem paying a $20 cover and $14 a drink.
If you want to see it's past, sit at a $5 BJ table.
If you were a suit, which customers would you pursue?
In three years, most visitors won't even know casinos once offered free parking.


Your probably right Bill.But with us baby boomers who are lucky enough to have a pension and social security,plus a modest 401k,there is still a lot of money to be spent by us old fucks.I think it's a mistake to overlook this group.
It's like television ratings. A show can get good ratings but if it's not the right demographic, it still gets canceled.Vegas reinvents itself every couple of years. This cycle is gearing towards the young and stupid who come to Vegas to party. And get laid. Guys dropping $800 for a $30 bottle of vodka don't care about parking fees.
I suspect Harrahs is going to aggressively market Laughlin to us old folks.

I like Laughlin. It's got that cool river running along it.
Did CET ever state that locals will be charged? I thought the upcoming fees did not include locals.
It does enhance the parking experience, like the Trump alternative facts.
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Originally posted by: billryan Every so often, property owners have to weed out the overgrowth to make room for the need growth.
If you want to see where Vegas is headed, swing by a Dayclub where thousands of Millenials have no problem paying a $20 cover and $14 a drink.
If you want to see it's past, sit at a $5 BJ table.
If you were a suit, which customers would you pursue?
In three years, most visitors won't even know casinos once offered free parking.


Exactly what "overgrowth" is being weeded out? And what "room" is being made for growth? The stupid expensive bottle service clubs are a very small footprint on the casinos' floor inventory.

Filling a small niche market of trust fund idiots is smart, but it sure isn't a reason to think that market is crucial to a casino's success or failure.

Try finding a seat at a $5 BJ table! Where they still exist, they are always packed!

The suits should, and do, pursue customers from all demographics. Bottle service club millennials fill a small fraction of 125,000 hotel rooms. 200,000 slot machines are on the casino floors for a reason.

Most regular visitors still remember that casinos didn't used to charge resort fees. The parking charges go way beyond resort fees. Resort fees don't affect almost every visitor.

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Originally posted by: billryan It's like television ratings. A show can get good ratings but if it's not the right demographic, it still gets canceled. Vegas reinvents itself every couple of years. This cycle is gearing towards the young and stupid who come to Vegas to party. And get laid. Guys dropping $800 for a $30 bottle of vodka don't care about parking fees.


This "cycle" started a decade ago. It doesn't matter if some in that demographic don't care about parking fees. It does matter to people who don't want to pay a fee for the privilege of entering a business that more often than not will just separate them from their money. It matters to customers who just want to visit a casino to eat at one of their restaurants or see a show. It sure as hell matters to people who have been making their living as parking valets. Las Vegas casino/hotels must provide an adequate number of parking places for their guests as part of their overall property. The T-Mobile arena did not have to do that. Parking facilities should have been required as part of that property. They then could have charged pretty much what ever they wanted for event parking.

It's time to realize that we are not as viable to the casinos as we like to think we are. The fact that there are so few $5 blackjack tables should tell you how little they care about them. Times have changed.
Once upon a time Harrah's used to treat low to middle rollers well. Now they don't. Maybe someday they will again. For now they don't.
Walk through the Wynn on a Saturday night. There are far more people in their clubs than in the casino.
Tao is the highest grossing restaurant/club in the country.Several others are in the top twenty.
At a travel seminar last year, they were saying the average entertainment budget exceeds the gambling budgets of most visitors.
Gambling in Vegas is as good as ever. Just not on the strip. Millennial don't play blackjack, nor video poker, or slots. They love poker but casinos can't figure out how to really exploit it yet.
Next thing they'll have is a "Chair Charge" for sitting at a table or machine.

Ray
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