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I see the Hillary camp and the Sanders camp are anxious to know if Biden is going to throw his hat in the ring. I can't even imagine he would ever consider doing it. He has so many past gaffes, including some that are very racist, that he would be destroyed if he became the Democratic candidate for POTUS.


If that was determin wether a candidate could become POTUS or not you should really start to worry. Because by this logic Trump and Carson don't stand a chance.


I think you better be very worried about Trump. I also think you better be very worried if Biden was to become the Democratic candidate.


I'm not worried about Trump. He's not going to make it, America has more brains than that. All Trump has done is make a lot of noise and tell everybody again and again how incredible he really is. He offers no real solutions. I refuse to believe there are Americans out there who actually believe there will be a wall between America and Mexico and Trump is going to have Mexico pay for it. Really, think about it for a minute. It sounds really badass but we know it's never going to happen. And for everybody who does believe this nonsense, more power to you. Now, let's go to foreign policy. Do you really think Trump is going to impress world leaders like Putin or the Chinese with his Donkey Kong behavior? A man like Putin has more experience in running major corporations, running a country and as commander in chief than Trump will ever have. The only thing Trump would accomplish internationally is safety issues for this great country. He speaks before he thinks which is not very diserable when handling international conflicts.


I seemed to miss your point of why Biden would be qualified on any of this. You obviously don't live in California, or you would probably have some different thoughts about illegals.


Where do you get the idea I don't want to do anything about illegals? I never said that. So because I'm a democrat you think I believe we should welcome everybody? Wrong! But I'm also a realist and Trump has no real solutions for handling illegal immigrants. Just yelling you are going to send everybody back and build a wall is not going to cut it. It's time you Republicans wake up and smell the roses. It doesn't work that way.

You want to fix the problem of illegal immigrants? Fix some basic things first. No drivers license, no benifits, no health care, no nothing. In every encounter with a possible "illegal" alien in a public office, ID them and make them show documents that prove their status, etc. If they can't, have them arrested there and then. What do we do about companies hiring illegal immigrants? Shut down their business for a set period of time every time they get caught and fine them. These fines have to be so high, chances are the business will go bancrupt if they get caught more than once. If a business owner gets caught hiring illegal immigrants more than once, put the business owner in jail for 6 months or longer. Take every opportunity for illegal immigrants for economical improvement away and that will solve most of the problem. But also be realistic: there will always be illegal immigrants!
Make the penalties extremely punitive for employers who hire illegals, and illegals will lose their jobs. At this point, they will voluntarily move back to Mexico. It's simple, it's cheap, and it'll work.

Liberals don't want to send the illegals home, so they tell us that there is no realistic way to remove them. Trump would make it happen in a heartbeat.


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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
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I see the Hillary camp and the Sanders camp are anxious to know if Biden is going to throw his hat in the ring. I can't even imagine he would ever consider doing it. He has so many past gaffes, including some that are very racist, that he would be destroyed if he became the Democratic candidate for POTUS.


If that was determin wether a candidate could become POTUS or not you should really start to worry. Because by this logic Trump and Carson don't stand a chance.


I think you better be very worried about Trump. I also think you better be very worried if Biden was to become the Democratic candidate.


I'm not worried about Trump. He's not going to make it, America has more brains than that. All Trump has done is make a lot of noise and tell everybody again and again how incredible he really is. He offers no real solutions. I refuse to believe there are Americans out there who actually believe there will be a wall between America and Mexico and Trump is going to have Mexico pay for it. Really, think about it for a minute. It sounds really badass but we know it's never going to happen. And for everybody who does believe this nonsense, more power to you. Now, let's go to foreign policy. Do you really think Trump is going to impress world leaders like Putin or the Chinese with his Donkey Kong behavior? A man like Putin has more experience in running major corporations, running a country and as commander in chief than Trump will ever have. The only thing Trump would accomplish internationally is safety issues for this great country. He speaks before he thinks which is not very diserable when handling international conflicts.


I seemed to miss your point of why Biden would be qualified on any of this. You obviously don't live in California, or you would probably have some different thoughts about illegals.


Where do you get the idea I don't want to do anything about illegals? I never said that. So because I'm a democrat you think I believe we should welcome everybody? Wrong! But I'm also a realist and Trump has no real solutions for handling illegal immigrants. Just yelling you are going to send everybody back and build a wall is not going to cut it. It's time you Republicans wake up and smell the roses. It doesn't work that way.

You want to fix the problem of illegal immigrants? Fix some basic things first. No drivers license, no benifits, no health care, no nothing. In every encounter with a possible "illegal" alien in a public office, ID them and make them show documents that prove their status, etc. If they can't, have them arrested there and then. What do we do about companies hiring illegal immigrants? Shut down their business for a set period of time every time they get caught and fine them. These fines have to be so high, chances are the business will go bancrupt if they get caught more than once. If a business owner gets caught hiring illegal immigrants more than once, put the business owner in jail for 6 months or longer. Take every opportunity for illegal immigrants for economical improvement away and that will solve most of the problem. But also be realistic: there will always be illegal immigrants!


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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Make the penalties extremely punitive for employers who hire illegals, and illegals will lose their jobs. At this point, they will voluntarily move back to Mexico. It's simple, it's cheap, and it'll work.

Liberals don't want to send the illegals home, so they tell us that there is no realistic way to remove them. Trump would make it happen in a heartbeat.


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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
I see the Hillary camp and the Sanders camp are anxious to know if Biden is going to throw his hat in the ring. I can't even imagine he would ever consider doing it. He has so many past gaffes, including some that are very racist, that he would be destroyed if he became the Democratic candidate for POTUS.


If that was determin wether a candidate could become POTUS or not you should really start to worry. Because by this logic Trump and Carson don't stand a chance.


I think you better be very worried about Trump. I also think you better be very worried if Biden was to become the Democratic candidate.


I'm not worried about Trump. He's not going to make it, America has more brains than that. All Trump has done is make a lot of noise and tell everybody again and again how incredible he really is. He offers no real solutions. I refuse to believe there are Americans out there who actually believe there will be a wall between America and Mexico and Trump is going to have Mexico pay for it. Really, think about it for a minute. It sounds really badass but we know it's never going to happen. And for everybody who does believe this nonsense, more power to you. Now, let's go to foreign policy. Do you really think Trump is going to impress world leaders like Putin or the Chinese with his Donkey Kong behavior? A man like Putin has more experience in running major corporations, running a country and as commander in chief than Trump will ever have. The only thing Trump would accomplish internationally is safety issues for this great country. He speaks before he thinks which is not very diserable when handling international conflicts.


I seemed to miss your point of why Biden would be qualified on any of this. You obviously don't live in California, or you would probably have some different thoughts about illegals.


Where do you get the idea I don't want to do anything about illegals? I never said that. So because I'm a democrat you think I believe we should welcome everybody? Wrong! But I'm also a realist and Trump has no real solutions for handling illegal immigrants. Just yelling you are going to send everybody back and build a wall is not going to cut it. It's time you Republicans wake up and smell the roses. It doesn't work that way.

You want to fix the problem of illegal immigrants? Fix some basic things first. No drivers license, no benifits, no health care, no nothing. In every encounter with a possible "illegal" alien in a public office, ID them and make them show documents that prove their status, etc. If they can't, have them arrested there and then. What do we do about companies hiring illegal immigrants? Shut down their business for a set period of time every time they get caught and fine them. These fines have to be so high, chances are the business will go bancrupt if they get caught more than once. If a business owner gets caught hiring illegal immigrants more than once, put the business owner in jail for 6 months or longer. Take every opportunity for illegal immigrants for economical improvement away and that will solve most of the problem. But also be realistic: there will always be illegal immigrants!



Do you actually read before you hit the reply button? We agree and you're actually repeating part of what I just said...........yeez. So I've just proven your statement about Liberals not wanting to send illegal immigrants back to be bogus.
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
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I see the Hillary camp and the Sanders camp are anxious to know if Biden is going to throw his hat in the ring. I can't even imagine he would ever consider doing it. He has so many past gaffes, including some that are very racist, that he would be destroyed if he became the Democratic candidate for POTUS.


If that was determin wether a candidate could become POTUS or not you should really start to worry. Because by this logic Trump and Carson don't stand a chance.


I think you better be very worried about Trump. I also think you better be very worried if Biden was to become the Democratic candidate.


I'm not worried about Trump. He's not going to make it, America has more brains than that. All Trump has done is make a lot of noise and tell everybody again and again how incredible he really is. He offers no real solutions. I refuse to believe there are Americans out there who actually believe there will be a wall between America and Mexico and Trump is going to have Mexico pay for it. Really, think about it for a minute. It sounds really badass but we know it's never going to happen. And for everybody who does believe this nonsense, more power to you. Now, let's go to foreign policy. Do you really think Trump is going to impress world leaders like Putin or the Chinese with his Donkey Kong behavior? A man like Putin has more experience in running major corporations, running a country and as commander in chief than Trump will ever have. The only thing Trump would accomplish internationally is safety issues for this great country. He speaks before he thinks which is not very diserable when handling international conflicts.


I seemed to miss your point of why Biden would be qualified on any of this. You obviously don't live in California, or you would probably have some different thoughts about illegals.


Where do you get the idea I don't want to do anything about illegals? I never said that. So because I'm a democrat you think I believe we should welcome everybody? Wrong! But I'm also a realist and Trump has no real solutions for handling illegal immigrants. Just yelling you are going to send everybody back and build a wall is not going to cut it. It's time you Republicans wake up and smell the roses. It doesn't work that way.

You want to fix the problem of illegal immigrants? Fix some basic things first. No drivers license, no benifits, no health care, no nothing. In every encounter with a possible "illegal" alien in a public office, ID them and make them show documents that prove their status, etc. If they can't, have them arrested there and then. What do we do about companies hiring illegal immigrants? Shut down their business for a set period of time every time they get caught and fine them. These fines have to be so high, chances are the business will go bancrupt if they get caught more than once. If a business owner gets caught hiring illegal immigrants more than once, put the business owner in jail for 6 months or longer. Take every opportunity for illegal immigrants for economical improvement away and that will solve most of the problem. But also be realistic: there will always be illegal immigrants!



LOL, you definitely are not from California. You would side more with the republicans than the Democrats, based upon what you wrote above.

I love Trump. He took out Little Scotty Walker, Tricky Rick Perry and signs are Number 3 no longer has the ability to bring in enough donations to support the campaign infrastructure he built. There is a lot to love about that.
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
I see the Hillary camp and the Sanders camp are anxious to know if Biden is going to throw his hat in the ring. I can't even imagine he would ever consider doing it. He has so many past gaffes, including some that are very racist, that he would be destroyed if he became the Democratic candidate for POTUS.


If that was determin wether a candidate could become POTUS or not you should really start to worry. Because by this logic Trump and Carson don't stand a chance.


I think you better be very worried about Trump. I also think you better be very worried if Biden was to become the Democratic candidate.


I'm not worried about Trump. He's not going to make it, America has more brains than that. All Trump has done is make a lot of noise and tell everybody again and again how incredible he really is. He offers no real solutions. I refuse to believe there are Americans out there who actually believe there will be a wall between America and Mexico and Trump is going to have Mexico pay for it. Really, think about it for a minute. It sounds really badass but we know it's never going to happen. And for everybody who does believe this nonsense, more power to you. Now, let's go to foreign policy. Do you really think Trump is going to impress world leaders like Putin or the Chinese with his Donkey Kong behavior? A man like Putin has more experience in running major corporations, running a country and as commander in chief than Trump will ever have. The only thing Trump would accomplish internationally is safety issues for this great country. He speaks before he thinks which is not very diserable when handling international conflicts.


I seemed to miss your point of why Biden would be qualified on any of this. You obviously don't live in California, or you would probably have some different thoughts about illegals.


Where do you get the idea I don't want to do anything about illegals? I never said that. So because I'm a democrat you think I believe we should welcome everybody? Wrong! But I'm also a realist and Trump has no real solutions for handling illegal immigrants. Just yelling you are going to send everybody back and build a wall is not going to cut it. It's time you Republicans wake up and smell the roses. It doesn't work that way.

You want to fix the problem of illegal immigrants? Fix some basic things first. No drivers license, no benifits, no health care, no nothing. In every encounter with a possible "illegal" alien in a public office, ID them and make them show documents that prove their status, etc. If they can't, have them arrested there and then. What do we do about companies hiring illegal immigrants? Shut down their business for a set period of time every time they get caught and fine them. These fines have to be so high, chances are the business will go bancrupt if they get caught more than once. If a business owner gets caught hiring illegal immigrants more than once, put the business owner in jail for 6 months or longer. Take every opportunity for illegal immigrants for economical improvement away and that will solve most of the problem. But also be realistic: there will always be illegal immigrants!



LOL, you definitely are not from California. You would side more with the republicans than the Democrats, based upon what you wrote above.


If you really want to know where I'm from you can just ask me
I don't believe I side more with Republicans than Democrats on this issue. The problem with illigal immigration didn't happen overnight. No administration since WWII has taken care of regulations to close our front & back door sufficiently (Rep. nor Dem.). Republicans are as much to blame for that as Democrats. I also don't believe that throwing people out (no mercy) after failed policies for decades is the right thing to do. We are the United States of America, not Russia. We have more class and we are human. So changing some laws to close our front and back door right now would be a smart move. But at the same time we have to think about what we're going to do with all the illegal immigrants we have now. And without serious compromise between Rep's and Dem's the entire issue will never be solved. That compromise will never come as long as Republicans like Trump (and his followers) are shouting they will throw everybody out and build a wall between us and Mexico.
Allowing illegals to stay encourages more illegals to come. Deporting all illegals discourages more illegals to come. It's not a complicated thought process.


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Originally posted by: LurkerPoster
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
I see the Hillary camp and the Sanders camp are anxious to know if Biden is going to throw his hat in the ring. I can't even imagine he would ever consider doing it. He has so many past gaffes, including some that are very racist, that he would be destroyed if he became the Democratic candidate for POTUS.


If that was determin wether a candidate could become POTUS or not you should really start to worry. Because by this logic Trump and Carson don't stand a chance.


I think you better be very worried about Trump. I also think you better be very worried if Biden was to become the Democratic candidate.


I'm not worried about Trump. He's not going to make it, America has more brains than that. All Trump has done is make a lot of noise and tell everybody again and again how incredible he really is. He offers no real solutions. I refuse to believe there are Americans out there who actually believe there will be a wall between America and Mexico and Trump is going to have Mexico pay for it. Really, think about it for a minute. It sounds really badass but we know it's never going to happen. And for everybody who does believe this nonsense, more power to you. Now, let's go to foreign policy. Do you really think Trump is going to impress world leaders like Putin or the Chinese with his Donkey Kong behavior? A man like Putin has more experience in running major corporations, running a country and as commander in chief than Trump will ever have. The only thing Trump would accomplish internationally is safety issues for this great country. He speaks before he thinks which is not very diserable when handling international conflicts.


I seemed to miss your point of why Biden would be qualified on any of this. You obviously don't live in California, or you would probably have some different thoughts about illegals.


Where do you get the idea I don't want to do anything about illegals? I never said that. So because I'm a democrat you think I believe we should welcome everybody? Wrong! But I'm also a realist and Trump has no real solutions for handling illegal immigrants. Just yelling you are going to send everybody back and build a wall is not going to cut it. It's time you Republicans wake up and smell the roses. It doesn't work that way.

You want to fix the problem of illegal immigrants? Fix some basic things first. No drivers license, no benifits, no health care, no nothing. In every encounter with a possible "illegal" alien in a public office, ID them and make them show documents that prove their status, etc. If they can't, have them arrested there and then. What do we do about companies hiring illegal immigrants? Shut down their business for a set period of time every time they get caught and fine them. These fines have to be so high, chances are the business will go bancrupt if they get caught more than once. If a business owner gets caught hiring illegal immigrants more than once, put the business owner in jail for 6 months or longer. Take every opportunity for illegal immigrants for economical improvement away and that will solve most of the problem. But also be realistic: there will always be illegal immigrants!



LOL, you definitely are not from California. You would side more with the republicans than the Democrats, based upon what you wrote above.


If you really want to know where I'm from you can just ask me
I don't believe I side more with Republicans than Democrats on this issue. The problem with illigal immigration didn't happen overnight. No administration since WWII has taken care of regulations to close our front & back door sufficiently (Rep. nor Dem.). Republicans are as much to blame for that as Democrats. I also don't believe that throwing people out (no mercy) after failed policies for decades is the right thing to do. We are the United States of America, not Russia. We have more class and we are human. So changing some laws to close our front and back door right now would be a smart move. But at the same time we have to think about what we're going to do with all the illegal immigrants we have now. And without serious compromise between Rep's and Dem's the entire issue will never be solved. That compromise will never come as long as Republicans like Trump (and his followers) are shouting they will throw everybody out and build a wall between us and Mexico.


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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Allowing illegals to stay encourages more illegals to come. Deporting all illegals discourages more illegals to come. It's not a complicated thought process.


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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
I see the Hillary camp and the Sanders camp are anxious to know if Biden is going to throw his hat in the ring. I can't even imagine he would ever consider doing it. He has so many past gaffes, including some that are very racist, that he would be destroyed if he became the Democratic candidate for POTUS.


If that was determin wether a candidate could become POTUS or not you should really start to worry. Because by this logic Trump and Carson don't stand a chance.


I think you better be very worried about Trump. I also think you better be very worried if Biden was to become the Democratic candidate.


I'm not worried about Trump. He's not going to make it, America has more brains than that. All Trump has done is make a lot of noise and tell everybody again and again how incredible he really is. He offers no real solutions. I refuse to believe there are Americans out there who actually believe there will be a wall between America and Mexico and Trump is going to have Mexico pay for it. Really, think about it for a minute. It sounds really badass but we know it's never going to happen. And for everybody who does believe this nonsense, more power to you. Now, let's go to foreign policy. Do you really think Trump is going to impress world leaders like Putin or the Chinese with his Donkey Kong behavior? A man like Putin has more experience in running major corporations, running a country and as commander in chief than Trump will ever have. The only thing Trump would accomplish internationally is safety issues for this great country. He speaks before he thinks which is not very diserable when handling international conflicts.


I seemed to miss your point of why Biden would be qualified on any of this. You obviously don't live in California, or you would probably have some different thoughts about illegals.


Where do you get the idea I don't want to do anything about illegals? I never said that. So because I'm a democrat you think I believe we should welcome everybody? Wrong! But I'm also a realist and Trump has no real solutions for handling illegal immigrants. Just yelling you are going to send everybody back and build a wall is not going to cut it. It's time you Republicans wake up and smell the roses. It doesn't work that way.

You want to fix the problem of illegal immigrants? Fix some basic things first. No drivers license, no benifits, no health care, no nothing. In every encounter with a possible "illegal" alien in a public office, ID them and make them show documents that prove their status, etc. If they can't, have them arrested there and then. What do we do about companies hiring illegal immigrants? Shut down their business for a set period of time every time they get caught and fine them. These fines have to be so high, chances are the business will go bancrupt if they get caught more than once. If a business owner gets caught hiring illegal immigrants more than once, put the business owner in jail for 6 months or longer. Take every opportunity for illegal immigrants for economical improvement away and that will solve most of the problem. But also be realistic: there will always be illegal immigrants!



LOL, you definitely are not from California. You would side more with the republicans than the Democrats, based upon what you wrote above.


If you really want to know where I'm from you can just ask me
I don't believe I side more with Republicans than Democrats on this issue. The problem with illigal immigration didn't happen overnight. No administration since WWII has taken care of regulations to close our front & back door sufficiently (Rep. nor Dem.). Republicans are as much to blame for that as Democrats. I also don't believe that throwing people out (no mercy) after failed policies for decades is the right thing to do. We are the United States of America, not Russia. We have more class and we are human. So changing some laws to close our front and back door right now would be a smart move. But at the same time we have to think about what we're going to do with all the illegal immigrants we have now. And without serious compromise between Rep's and Dem's the entire issue will never be solved. That compromise will never come as long as Republicans like Trump (and his followers) are shouting they will throw everybody out and build a wall between us and Mexico.



Well Boiler, we already know your thought process isn't complicated. It's simple, very simple. Unfortunately, reality is a little more compliment than you'd like it to be. I'm not even going to waste time going back and forth with you on this. As I said Dem's and Rep's have to be able to compromise on this matter to ever reach a solution. Thank you (as a Republican) for showing you're not willing to compromise.
Why compromise when illegals hurting the American economy and holding down blue collar wages?


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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Allowing illegals to stay encourages more illegals to come. Deporting all illegals discourages more illegals to come. It's not a complicated thought process.


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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
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I see the Hillary camp and the Sanders camp are anxious to know if Biden is going to throw his hat in the ring. I can't even imagine he would ever consider doing it. He has so many past gaffes, including some that are very racist, that he would be destroyed if he became the Democratic candidate for POTUS.


If that was determin wether a candidate could become POTUS or not you should really start to worry. Because by this logic Trump and Carson don't stand a chance.


I think you better be very worried about Trump. I also think you better be very worried if Biden was to become the Democratic candidate.


I'm not worried about Trump. He's not going to make it, America has more brains than that. All Trump has done is make a lot of noise and tell everybody again and again how incredible he really is. He offers no real solutions. I refuse to believe there are Americans out there who actually believe there will be a wall between America and Mexico and Trump is going to have Mexico pay for it. Really, think about it for a minute. It sounds really badass but we know it's never going to happen. And for everybody who does believe this nonsense, more power to you. Now, let's go to foreign policy. Do you really think Trump is going to impress world leaders like Putin or the Chinese with his Donkey Kong behavior? A man like Putin has more experience in running major corporations, running a country and as commander in chief than Trump will ever have. The only thing Trump would accomplish internationally is safety issues for this great country. He speaks before he thinks which is not very diserable when handling international conflicts.


I seemed to miss your point of why Biden would be qualified on any of this. You obviously don't live in California, or you would probably have some different thoughts about illegals.


Where do you get the idea I don't want to do anything about illegals? I never said that. So because I'm a democrat you think I believe we should welcome everybody? Wrong! But I'm also a realist and Trump has no real solutions for handling illegal immigrants. Just yelling you are going to send everybody back and build a wall is not going to cut it. It's time you Republicans wake up and smell the roses. It doesn't work that way.

You want to fix the problem of illegal immigrants? Fix some basic things first. No drivers license, no benifits, no health care, no nothing. In every encounter with a possible "illegal" alien in a public office, ID them and make them show documents that prove their status, etc. If they can't, have them arrested there and then. What do we do about companies hiring illegal immigrants? Shut down their business for a set period of time every time they get caught and fine them. These fines have to be so high, chances are the business will go bancrupt if they get caught more than once. If a business owner gets caught hiring illegal immigrants more than once, put the business owner in jail for 6 months or longer. Take every opportunity for illegal immigrants for economical improvement away and that will solve most of the problem. But also be realistic: there will always be illegal immigrants!



LOL, you definitely are not from California. You would side more with the republicans than the Democrats, based upon what you wrote above.


If you really want to know where I'm from you can just ask me
I don't believe I side more with Republicans than Democrats on this issue. The problem with illigal immigration didn't happen overnight. No administration since WWII has taken care of regulations to close our front & back door sufficiently (Rep. nor Dem.). Republicans are as much to blame for that as Democrats. I also don't believe that throwing people out (no mercy) after failed policies for decades is the right thing to do. We are the United States of America, not Russia. We have more class and we are human. So changing some laws to close our front and back door right now would be a smart move. But at the same time we have to think about what we're going to do with all the illegal immigrants we have now. And without serious compromise between Rep's and Dem's the entire issue will never be solved. That compromise will never come as long as Republicans like Trump (and his followers) are shouting they will throw everybody out and build a wall between us and Mexico.



Well Boiler, we already know your thought process isn't complicated. It's simple, very simple. Unfortunately, reality is a little more compliment than you'd like it to be. I'm not even going to waste time going back and forth with you on this. As I said Dem's and Rep's have to be able to compromise on this matter to ever reach a solution. Thank you (as a Republican) for showing you're not willing to compromise.


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Why compromise when illegals hurting the American economy and holding down blue collar wages?


Thank you again Boilerman for proving several points I've made in this thread:

a) you really have a problem with reading. I already told you I wasn't going to debate this with you. Want to know why? There's no use, you have already made up your mind. It's like talking to a deaf man.
b) people like you are running this country into the ground, not immigrants. Your (and your political peers) unwillingness to look at the issue in a realistic way is the reason why this issue (and many others) doesn't get resolved.

When you leave your house with your front door wide open and go on a 2 day fishing trip, burglars clean out your house completely during those two days, who do you blame? The burglar, yourself or the police? I would not blame the burglar, I'm realistic enough to understand this can happen when I leave my house unattended. I would blame myself. You on the other hand stick to blaming the burglar (and probably the police).

It's not illegals hurting the American economy. It's business owners and our government not handling the issue properly who are hurting our economy. You can't just blame illegal immigrants for crappy legislation. They are just looking for ways to improve their standard of living. I can't blame them nor their children who, in many cases, were born in the US and have been living here for years and years without any difficulty (contributing to our economy as well).

This is my final reply to you. I'm done with waisting my time on a discussion with a deaf man.
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