Detroit, Obamacare, and Unexpected Consequences


* * * n.b. DonDiego posts this information [from the New York Times no less] solely for educational purposes. He takes no position; he blames no one in particular; he just provides interesting speculation from the Old Gray Lady related to Detroit, in particular, . . . and future municipal bankruptcies, in general. * * *

"As Detroit enters the federal bankruptcy process, the city is proposing a controversial plan for paring some of the $5.7 billion it owes in retiree health costs: pushing many of those too young to qualify for Medicare out of city-run coverage and into the new insurance markets that will soon be operating under the Obama health care law.
Officials say the plan would be part of a broader effort to save Detroit tens of millions of dollars in health costs each year, . . .
Unfunded retiree health care costs loom larger than ever for localities across the country, and the health law’s guarantee of federal subsidies to help people with modest incomes afford coverage has made the new insurance markets tantalizing for local governments. A study issued this year by the Pew Charitable Trusts found 61 of the nation’s major cities wrestling with $126 billion in retiree health costs, all but 6 percent of that unfunded."

So, Detroit intends to lay off its health care obligations onto Obamacare, . . . so the Federal Government and Federal taxpayers can take care of the shortfalls.
And Chicago is making plans to shift its retirees into Obamacare Plans as well, if they can get away with it, . . . to save itself $175-million-per-year.

This looks like it could get expensive if'n other cash-strapped cities get wind of it.
Ref: Detroit Looks to Obamacare

Oh, . . . and just for some background on Detroit's decline, . . . and prospects for some other American cities, here's a NYT report from a reporter for WJBK-TV in Detroit: Come See Detroit, America's Future.
It isn't pretty.
Detroit isn’t that broke:

Detroit Crazy Stadium Spending
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In a curious and insulting move, Detroit has chosen to use precious state funding to finance a new, $444 million hockey arena.

While Detroit’s emergency manager, Kevyn Orr, claims that the project is “part of the economic development … If it is as productive as it's supposed to be, that's going to be a boon to the city," its real benefits will likely be tepid at best.


Seems like a case of the wrong priorities. Austerity is only for the masses not for the rich sports franchise owners.
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Originally posted by: malibber2
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In a curious and insulting move, Detroit has chosen to use precious state funding to finance a new, $444 million hockey arena.


Seems like a case of the wrong priorities. . .

Hmm, . . . pay for obligated health care benefits or finance a new hockey arena?
Decisions, . . . Decisions.

Pretty crazy that a new hockey arena while undergoing bankruptcy. I know Detroit can't just decide to use those funds elsewhere on a whim, they were specifically earmarked for that but it does seem priority's are whacked there.

I somehow predict that the arena will be put on hold at least for a while, as it should.

J

The can has been kicked down the road as far as it can go in some cities...and some states...and the post office. Promises made to public sector unions are impossible to keep. The ponzi scheme pyramids are collapsing.
One of the benefits (I use that term loosely) of bankruptcy is it allows Detroit the ability to break its contracts with its creditors including workers....so the option of swapping out their contracted health care benefits for subsidized personal insurance is an option. I don't see that as an option for cities not in bankruptcy unless it is agreed to by the workers. ANd in those cases it would likely not be subsidized by the Federal Government unless those state/municipal workers were making less money than the poverty threshold as defined in the ACA law. But then again - I'm not a lawyer.

As far as quality of care I would venture that workers having access to the exchanges is a positive development as they can choose from multiple insurance companies competing for their business. I wish I could do that with my insurance instead of being stuck with whatever plan my employer has chosen for me.

As far as cost, I believe the article said something in the neighborhood of 6 billion in outstanding healthcare obligations is owed by Detroit. That's not chump change but its also not a 5 alarm fire in terms of our debt. There has been lots of rhetoric about the costs of the ACA that range from saving tons of money to causing more debt. I don't pretend to have done a cost analysis of everything. I suspect most critics have not either. I also don't pretend that the only way forward is to go back to the train wreck system we had before. I hope going forward our government makes serious attempts to improve our healthcare system from a perspective of both quality and cost instead of continuing the ongoing battle of the last 4 years


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
One of the benefits (I use that term loosely) of bankruptcy is it allows Detroit the ability to break its contracts with its creditors including workers....so the option of swapping out their contracted health care benefits for subsidized personal insurance is an option. I don't see that as an option for cities not in bankruptcy unless it is agreed to by the workers. ANd in those cases it would likely not be subsidized by the Federal Government unless those state/municipal workers were making less money than the poverty threshold as defined in the ACA law. But then again - I'm not a lawyer.

As far as quality of care I would venture that workers having access to the exchanges is a positive development as they can choose from multiple insurance companies competing for their business. I wish I could do that with my insurance instead of being stuck with whatever plan my employer has chosen for me.

As far as cost, I believe the article said something in the neighborhood of 6 billion in outstanding healthcare obligations is owed by Detroit. That's not chump change but its also not a 5 alarm fire in terms of our debt. There has been lots of rhetoric about the costs of the ACA that range from saving tons of money to causing more debt. I don't pretend to have done a cost analysis of everything. I suspect most critics have not either. I also don't pretend that the only way forward is to go back to the train wreck system we had before. I hope going forward our government makes serious attempts to improve our healthcare system from a perspective of both quality and cost instead of continuing the ongoing battle of the last 4 years


You should run for Governor of Indiana. You're a smart guy and a whiffle ball HR legend. As long as you aren't a Weiner, then you can't lose.

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Originally posted by: malibber2
Detroit isn’t that broke:

Detroit Crazy Stadium Spending
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In a curious and insulting move, Detroit has chosen to use precious state funding to finance a new, $444 million hockey arena.

While Detroit’s emergency manager, Kevyn Orr, claims that the project is “part of the economic development … If it is as productive as it's supposed to be, that's going to be a boon to the city," its real benefits will likely be tepid at best.


Seems like a case of the wrong priorities. Austerity is only for the masses not for the rich sports franchise owners.


Building a new hockey arena now is not smart pr & sports facilities never achieve the promised return on investment
If Obama "owned" a city, it would look like Detroit!
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Originally posted by: hoops2

Seems like a case of the wrong priorities. Austerity is only for the masses not for the rich sports franchise owners.

Building a new hockey arena now is not smart pr & sports facilities never achieve the promised return on investment


i.e. Marlin's Park. $515M to build, Total cost including interest - $2.4B. BTW, the County does not have the option of repaying the bonds early. A bunch of ass clowns downtown.

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