Vegas Free-for-All - A Disturbance in Baltimore

A Disturbance in Baltimore

forkushV

May 1, 2015
1:55am

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Originally posted by: jphelan
BTW - here is a link to a study stating the "survival rate" from heroin is more like 50% over a 33 year period:

Heroin Mortality Rates...

If the strength and purity blood pressure drugs were as unpredictable and impure as street heroin, had to be procured from felons, and had to be injected with dirty needles, the body count from Benicar would be pretty damn high, wouldn't it?

Lots of people are killed by drug.....laws.

forkushV

May 1, 2015
2:01am

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The killing has been ruled a homicide, and the cops are being charged.

Talk about thugs...

malibber2

May 1, 2015
2:19am

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Originally posted by: forkushV
The killing has been ruled a homicide, and the cops are being charged.

Talk about thugs...

I am telling you police culture is sick. Until white leaders confront the problems in their culture we might as well shut the police departments down. Lazy welfare bums in blue sucking off the government teat. Make those bums go get a real job.

alanleroy

May 1, 2015
2:35am

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Originally posted by: jphelan

Don't you think that would encourage other crimes from addicts to get the money they need for drugs? Or should the taxpayers pay for people to get their substances of choice? What about teens - can they go in and buy these substances? If not, what is the penalty for buying a dangerous substance for a minor?

Actually, crime from addicts to get drug money is the exact situation we have today. The reason for that is street drugs are expensive because they are illegal and many people have taken risks to provide them. That's why there is so much money in illegal drugs. That's why legalization solves two problem.

1. Addicts no longer rob people for drug money because they are buying them legitimately at 1/10 the cost. How many cigarette addicts rob people to pay for their cigarettes? The answer is pretty close to ZERO. Crime is a result of the illegality of drugs not the drugs themselves. Illegal drugs are expensive BECAUSE they are illegal.

2. Drug Cartels and drug gangs no longer get enriched because they are willing to kill to make the excess profits that come from illegal drug sales. With legalization comes the end of excess profits from drugs. That's why the mob moved from booze to drugs with repeal of prohibition...

Now...selling or giving hard drugs to children is another story. I have consistently pointed that out. How about the death penalty for that? Nah...a little to severe, but I would support a strong punishment. Survey after survey shows it's far easier for a young adult to get illegal pot than it is for them to get legal (but not for them) booze. Why do you think that is?

Here is a link to a web site run by current and former law enforcement officers who have been directly involved with the war on drugs and have come to the same conclusions as I.

https://www.leap.cc/about/why-legalize-drugs/

Here's another top 10 shocking reasons to end the war on drugs.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/copssaylegalizedrugs/10-shocking-reasons-to-end-the-drug-war-and-consi-yvr7

forkushV

May 1, 2015
2:35am

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Originally posted by: malibber2

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Originally posted by: forkushV
The killing has been ruled a homicide, and the cops are being charged.

Talk about thugs...

I am telling you police culture is sick...

In more ways than one:

jphelan

May 1, 2015
2:51am

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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Actually, crime from addicts to get drug money is the exact situation we have today. The reason for that is street drugs are expensive because they are illegal and many people have taken risks to provide them. That's why there is so much money in illegal drugs. That's why legalization solves two problem.

1. Addicts no longer rob people for drug money because they are buying them legitimately at 1/10 the cost. How many cigarette addicts rob people to pay for their cigarettes? The answer is pretty close to ZERO. Crime is a result of the illegality of drugs not the drugs themselves. Illegal drugs are expensive BECAUSE they are illegal.

2. Drug Cartels and drug gangs no longer get enriched because they are willing to kill to make the excess profits that come from illegal drug sales. With legalization comes the end of excess profits from drugs. That's why the mob moved from booze to drugs with repeal of prohibition...

Now...selling or giving hard drugs to children is another story. I have consistently pointed that out. How about the death penalty for that? Nah...a little to severe, but I would support a strong punishment. Survey after survey shows it's far easier for a young adult to get illegal pot than it is for them to get legal (but not for them) booze. Why do you think that is?

Here is a link to a web site run by current and former law enforcement officers who have been directly involved with the war on drugs and have come to the same conclusions as I.

https://www.leap.cc/about/why-legalize-drugs/

Here's another top 10 shocking reasons to end the war on drugs.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/copssaylegalizedrugs/10-shocking-reasons-to-end-the-drug-war-and-consi-yvr7

I disagree with your statement that legalization will make drugs cheaper and people won't need to rob and steal to get their drugs. With Heroin at $3 per bag today, I cannot see CVS selling it any cheaper when Oxy cost in excess of $30 per pill. Look at the price of Legal Pot where it is legal. On an economic basis, all your assumptions are based upon cheap, legal drugs and I contend Legal drugs will certainly not be cheap.

jphelan

May 1, 2015
2:54am

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I thought these officers might be innocent until proven guilty - or have they changed the Constitution when I was not looking?

hoops2

May 1, 2015
2:56am

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Forky - I hope you never need a cop to save you when someone is breaking into your mother's basement

forkushV

May 1, 2015
3:13am

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Originally posted by: jphelan

I thought these citizens might be innocent until proven guilty - or have they changed the Constitution when I was not looking?

Fixed!

alanleroy

May 1, 2015
3:41am

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Originally posted by: jphelan

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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Actually, crime from addicts to get drug money is the exact situation we have today. The reason for that is street drugs are expensive because they are illegal and many people have taken risks to provide them. That's why there is so much money in illegal drugs. That's why legalization solves two problem.

1. Addicts no longer rob people for drug money because they are buying them legitimately at 1/10 the cost. How many cigarette addicts rob people to pay for their cigarettes? The answer is pretty close to ZERO. Crime is a result of the illegality of drugs not the drugs themselves. Illegal drugs are expensive BECAUSE they are illegal.

2. Drug Cartels and drug gangs no longer get enriched because they are willing to kill to make the excess profits that come from illegal drug sales. With legalization comes the end of excess profits from drugs. That's why the mob moved from booze to drugs with repeal of prohibition...

Now...selling or giving hard drugs to children is another story. I have consistently pointed that out. How about the death penalty for that? Nah...a little to severe, but I would support a strong punishment. Survey after survey shows it's far easier for a young adult to get illegal pot than it is for them to get legal (but not for them) booze. Why do you think that is?

Here is a link to a web site run by current and former law enforcement officers who have been directly involved with the war on drugs and have come to the same conclusions as I.

https://www.leap.cc/about/why-legalize-drugs/

Here's another top 10 shocking reasons to end the war on drugs.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/copssaylegalizedrugs/10-shocking-reasons-to-end-the-drug-war-and-consi-yvr7

I believe in free markets and supply and demand as a determiner of price. That's what my assumptions are based on. There is no free market for illegal drugs. Supply is restricted because we spend billions to restrict it.

One reason Oxy is so expensive is there are no allowed generic substitutes so we have a patent monopoly. Pot where it is legal, can be grown at home for next to nothing. But if the only thing we disagree on now is what the price will be after legalization, my job is done.

And to turn this around...after all the billions and billions we've spent on the war on drugs over the last 40 years, how do you explain that we have more drug addicts and cheaper and more potent heroin in the streets? The only answer can be that the 40 year War on Drugs is a failure.

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