Draining the swamp - just kidding!

There are none so blind, as those who choose not to see.
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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: IndyBoilerman
We complained about what Hillary did. PJ complains about what people claim that he will do.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: jatki99


WOW, the man isn't even in office yet and you're accusing him of all kinds of crap. Why don't we wait and see. BTW I'd like to see some sources on some of those claims, like million dollar tix and settying up an office for lobbyists and the discrepincies in hotel guests. Or is this all like MAL's imagination working?




I'm hear to help, Jatki. And I'm not "accusing" anybody of anything. I'm sharing reported facts - the kind of facts that you had huge problems with in the context of HIllary Clinton....and she wasn't office yet either. So I guess either you don't believe your own BS - or you just don't want to believe reported facts.

Trump's outsider campaign sets up as insider lobbiest group in DC

1 million dollars buys you a meet-and-greet package with the Donald on Inauguration Day

The Heritage Foundation, The RNC, and Foreign diplomats dump cash into Trump's DC Hotel going right into his pocket

Leeches are the least scummy thing in Donald Trump's swamp.


I've only skimmed over the first two(late, beftime for ue) and the first doesn't say a word about lobbyists similar to Obamas campaign arm,

"Bennett told CNN that Avenue Strategies will be "a full service government affairs and political consulting shop to, from the outside, help pursue the Trump agenda." But Bennett was clear the organization would not be an "extension of the campaign" or political operation the way Obama's campaign arm became the group Organizing for America.

Although I know it will probably be a door for lobbyists' which sucks.

The million dollar get together benefits the wildlife fund (or whatever it's called), horrible. You forgot to menmtion the coffee with Ivanka for 50K a pop which goes to St Judes. FOR SHAME on them and shame on you for making it sound like the Trumps were pocketing money for the inauguration PJ. That's exactly what CNN and MSNBC do, mislead.



jatki, you were incedibly clear and outraged by clinton Foundation donations amounting to pay-for-play.
So.....i guess you were just kidding about that?
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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: friedmush
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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: lvfritz

PJ is a joke, he's criticizing a President who hasn't taken office yet.....hasn't made a decision yet, and he is down on him just because his incredibly flawed candidate lost!


That's the best part, Fritz ! He's not even in office yet and he's already promised to engage in all the same bad behavior he (and you) blasted Hillary for. He's even brash enough to confess his campaign rhetoric was just BS to get your vote. And it worked. You were played by someone who lies way more than Liarry.

The "outsider" tea partiers thought they were sending to Washington is playing "insider" politics on a level never before seen.


WOW, the man isn't even in office yet and you're accusing him of all kinds of crap. Why don't we wait and see. BTW I'd like to see some sources on some of those claims, like million dollar tix and settying up an office for lobbyists and the discrepincies in hotel guests. Or is this all like MAL's imagination working?

BTW speaking of being played by campaign promises, remember these gems PJ?


Obama abandoned his commitment to "unprecedented" transparency.
Obama has failed on his promise to close GITMO.
Obama failed to end the war in Iraq and finish the job in Afghanistan.
Obama broke his promise to pursue a "tough, smart and principled national security strategy."
Obama broke his promise not to raise taxes on the middle-class.
Obama failed to grow the middle-class and Americans' incomes.
Obama broke his promise to allow Americans to keep their plans and lower costs under Obamacare.
Obama failed to make immigration a top priority and pass comprehensive reform in his first year.
Obama failed to "nail shut" the revolving door of lobbyists working in his administration.
Obama broke his promise to bring both parties together to enact a bipartisan agenda.

A quickie google search list.


You really should link to your source.



GOP.com


Are you refuting any of those? If so, please do. If not, what's your point?


My points are that its laughable to reference GOP.com or Democrats.org. Same with Breitbart, Rachel Maddow, Fox. These are not objective sources.

Secondly, crediting a source, any source, is the right thing to do. Otherwise you're stealing intellectual property.
PJ is talking apples and oranges. The Clinton Foundation was a slush fund for extravagant living for the Clintons. Clinton profited hundreds of millions of dollars in return for billions, if not trillions of dollars worth of government favors. Say what you like, but you know it and the voters know it.

She's a crook.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: IndyBoilerman
We complained about what Hillary did. PJ complains about what people claim that he will do.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: jatki99


WOW, the man isn't even in office yet and you're accusing him of all kinds of crap. Why don't we wait and see. BTW I'd like to see some sources on some of those claims, like million dollar tix and settying up an office for lobbyists and the discrepincies in hotel guests. Or is this all like MAL's imagination working?




I'm hear to help, Jatki. And I'm not "accusing" anybody of anything. I'm sharing reported facts - the kind of facts that you had huge problems with in the context of HIllary Clinton....and she wasn't office yet either. So I guess either you don't believe your own BS - or you just don't want to believe reported facts.

Trump's outsider campaign sets up as insider lobbiest group in DC

1 million dollars buys you a meet-and-greet package with the Donald on Inauguration Day

The Heritage Foundation, The RNC, and Foreign diplomats dump cash into Trump's DC Hotel going right into his pocket

Leeches are the least scummy thing in Donald Trump's swamp.


I've only skimmed over the first two(late, beftime for ue) and the first doesn't say a word about lobbyists similar to Obamas campaign arm,

"Bennett told CNN that Avenue Strategies will be "a full service government affairs and political consulting shop to, from the outside, help pursue the Trump agenda." But Bennett was clear the organization would not be an "extension of the campaign" or political operation the way Obama's campaign arm became the group Organizing for America.

Although I know it will probably be a door for lobbyists' which sucks.

The million dollar get together benefits the wildlife fund (or whatever it's called), horrible. You forgot to menmtion the coffee with Ivanka for 50K a pop which goes to St Judes. FOR SHAME on them and shame on you for making it sound like the Trumps were pocketing money for the inauguration PJ. That's exactly what CNN and MSNBC do, mislead.



jatki, you were incedibly clear and outraged by clinton Foundation donations amounting to pay-for-play.
So.....i guess you were just kidding about that?



Between Hillary and Donald only one person has been shown to use their charity for personal expenses. I'll give you a hint....that person has an affinity for underage beauty contestants.

so Boilerman's statement isn't just false ...it's vice-versa.
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: IndyBoilerman
We complained about what Hillary did. PJ complains about what people claim that he will do.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: jatki99


WOW, the man isn't even in office yet and you're accusing him of all kinds of crap. Why don't we wait and see. BTW I'd like to see some sources on some of those claims, like million dollar tix and settying up an office for lobbyists and the discrepincies in hotel guests. Or is this all like MAL's imagination working?




I'm hear to help, Jatki. And I'm not "accusing" anybody of anything. I'm sharing reported facts - the kind of facts that you had huge problems with in the context of HIllary Clinton....and she wasn't office yet either. So I guess either you don't believe your own BS - or you just don't want to believe reported facts.

Trump's outsider campaign sets up as insider lobbiest group in DC

1 million dollars buys you a meet-and-greet package with the Donald on Inauguration Day

The Heritage Foundation, The RNC, and Foreign diplomats dump cash into Trump's DC Hotel going right into his pocket

Leeches are the least scummy thing in Donald Trump's swamp.


I've only skimmed over the first two(late, beftime for ue) and the first doesn't say a word about lobbyists similar to Obamas campaign arm,

"Bennett told CNN that Avenue Strategies will be "a full service government affairs and political consulting shop to, from the outside, help pursue the Trump agenda." But Bennett was clear the organization would not be an "extension of the campaign" or political operation the way Obama's campaign arm became the group Organizing for America.

Although I know it will probably be a door for lobbyists' which sucks.

The million dollar get together benefits the wildlife fund (or whatever it's called), horrible. You forgot to menmtion the coffee with Ivanka for 50K a pop which goes to St Judes. FOR SHAME on them and shame on you for making it sound like the Trumps were pocketing money for the inauguration PJ. That's exactly what CNN and MSNBC do, mislead.



jatki, you were incedibly clear and outraged by clinton Foundation donations amounting to pay-for-play.
So.....i guess you were just kidding about that?



Hmm, I suppose you have a valid point PJ, kind of anyway. I've always thought the CF was nothing more than a slush fund for the Clintons and I'm not alone. The money raised for inauguration day is going to charities out of the Trumps hands so there's a bit of difference. Unless there's papers that have FOD (friends of Donald) marked on them, I'll view it much different than pay to play the Clintons had going on here. Rememebr the whole King of Monaco ordeal?

I do view them differently, but I see how you don't. However if it ever comes to light where people are donating to the TF for access to the D, I'll be just as pissed as I was about the Clintons PTP.

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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: friedmush
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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: lvfritz

PJ is a joke, he's criticizing a President who hasn't taken office yet.....hasn't made a decision yet, and he is down on him just because his incredibly flawed candidate lost!


That's the best part, Fritz ! He's not even in office yet and he's already promised to engage in all the same bad behavior he (and you) blasted Hillary for. He's even brash enough to confess his campaign rhetoric was just BS to get your vote. And it worked. You were played by someone who lies way more than Liarry.

The "outsider" tea partiers thought they were sending to Washington is playing "insider" politics on a level never before seen.


WOW, the man isn't even in office yet and you're accusing him of all kinds of crap. Why don't we wait and see. BTW I'd like to see some sources on some of those claims, like million dollar tix and settying up an office for lobbyists and the discrepincies in hotel guests. Or is this all like MAL's imagination working?

BTW speaking of being played by campaign promises, remember these gems PJ?


Obama abandoned his commitment to "unprecedented" transparency.
Obama has failed on his promise to close GITMO.
Obama failed to end the war in Iraq and finish the job in Afghanistan.
Obama broke his promise to pursue a "tough, smart and principled national security strategy."
Obama broke his promise not to raise taxes on the middle-class.
Obama failed to grow the middle-class and Americans' incomes.
Obama broke his promise to allow Americans to keep their plans and lower costs under Obamacare.
Obama failed to make immigration a top priority and pass comprehensive reform in his first year.
Obama failed to "nail shut" the revolving door of lobbyists working in his administration.
Obama broke his promise to bring both parties together to enact a bipartisan agenda.

A quickie google search list.


You really should link to your source.



GOP.com


Are you refuting any of those? If so, please do. If not, what's your point?


My points are that its laughable to reference GOP.com or Democrats.org. Same with Breitbart, Rachel Maddow, Fox. These are not objective sources.

Secondly, crediting a source, any source, is the right thing to do. Otherwise you're stealing intellectual property.


I thought those were all common knowledge will it make you feel better if I C&P the exact same list from a separate source? Here, I did googled again and there's 400K results

From politico, they have a couple dozen actually
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-broken/

Here's about half a dozen from newsweek, Obama promises quoted with each, BONUS!
https://www.newsweek.com/obama-afghanistan-troop-levels-promises-383931

Shall I go on? Again I ask if you are going to refute any of them, or just complain about the source (which I really didn't even notice it was GOP.com)? Very reminiscent of forky.
And the band played on.....
The president cant make promises regarding legislation because he is not a king. He can only promise what he stands for.

Congress wont allow Obama to close Gitmo, for example....but he's never changed his position on that issue.
Blaming him for something beyond his powers is kinda ...I don't know....dumb?

Trump's not even in office yet and he's 180'ed HIS position on immigration. This is not because Congress forced him to. This is because his campaign was a lie to pander to the lowest scum in the Republican base. And now that he actually has to govern he has to come clean about his bullshit. Its a good thing for him his base doesn't mind when he lies to them.
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
The president cant make promises regarding legislation because he is not a king. He can only promise what he stands for.

Congress wont allow Obama to close Gitmo, for example....but he's never changed his position on that issue.
Blaming him for something beyond his powers is kinda ...I don't know....dumb?

Trump's not even in office yet and he's 180'ed HIS position on immigration. This is not because Congress forced him to. This is because his campaign was a lie to pander to the lowest scum in the Republican base. And now that he actually has to govern he has to come clean about his bullshit. Its a good thing for him his base doesn't mind when he lies to them.


PJ, I just saw this article and the charitable fund seems to be Eric Trumps foundation for terminally ill kids with cancer so he's discontinuing any further fundraising. The entire PTP thing PO's me no matter which party buit it looks like they're doing the right thing.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/eric-trump-stops-fundraising-charity-scrutiny-083752037--election.html Here's the article.
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