Ebola - What Should the Gubmint Do?

Alanleroy, stop concerning yourself with the fact and the truth. That's all overrated.


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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: hoops2
People are calling for a ban on COMMERCIAL flights, not military/relief flights which can be controlled & quarantine procedures can be put in place. PJ is having a problem differentiating between the 2


The screening procedures you speak of are being put in place for commercial flights. I fail to see how a symptom free person flying home on Delta poses a bigger risk than a symptom free person flying home in a chartered military flight.


There are some inherent advantages to Military transports over Commercial Flights in this Disaster Relief effort including:

1. Military transports land at US Air Bases in a controlled environment and not at the worlds largest Public Transportation Hubs.
a. This makes it easier to enforce quarantines or to take effective cleanup protocols should someone vomit or shit his or her pants on the ride home....and does not expose the general traveling public to those who have come from the Ebola Zone (Who may or may not be carrying the Virus)

2. Military transports are designed to move people and supplies to trouble spots. This includes advantages of large cargo handling, ability to more easily clean and disinfect, a crew specifically trained for the mission and the ability to land in more severe weather and at smaller airports.

3. Military transports are more flexible in scheduling. They can operate around the clock. They can work on set schedules or as needed. They can ramp up to incredible levels of service very quickly.

But aside from all that, the biggest advantage to a commercial flight ban is it prevents travel from the infected areas except by essential personnel. If you don't get it yet, essential personnel are people fighting the Ebola War. Now you might say that...yeah..they'll just fly to Italy and then to America...and I'll say we can stop that too.

The key is there is no justification at this point for Tourists, Businesspeople, Travelers, Ebola Refugees or anyone except our Ebola Fighters to come here from there. Fighting Ebloa there ...in Africa should be the focus. Every case generated from slipping though weak travel restrictions has been a diversion of resources that represents an unnecessary risk we took. Sure, it's unlikely to be a US epidemic...but every case is costing hundreds of thousands of dollars and specialized medical resources that could have been directed at crushing the virus at it's root.

Now, another answer might be to restrict Commercial flights to Ebola Fighters. That would be another step in the right direction and I could see that when/if there is a rush to leave the infected areas and our medical personnel have to wait days for a flight home.....but if commercial flights are restricted to the mission, could you really call them 'Commercial Flights' at that point?


item i. . . . the North Carolina-based international relief group Samaritan’s Purse, which has nearly two dozen expatriate staffers working in Liberia, has chosen to go beyond CDC recommendations.
“We just didn’t have confidence in them, quite frankly,” Samaritan’s Purse Vice President Ken Isaacs said of the CDC guidelines. “We felt more strict protocols were in order, so we created our own.”
The relief group began requiring all returning staff to stay isolated for 21 days, away from family members. The organization houses workers within an hour’s drive of medical facilities, such as Emory University or the NIH, which are equipped to handle Ebola patients, in case someone gets sick. The workers, who are paid their normal salaries, are not allowed to take public transit or touch anyone, and they must take their temperature multiple times a day.
“That’s just a part of the deal, and they have accepted that,” said Isaacs, who acknowledges that the requirements make it potentially more difficult to recruit volunteers to work in West Africa. “We’ve never felt comfortable that just coming back and letting people go about life as normal and take their temp two times a day was sufficient.”

item ii. And while the 33-year-old doctor [Graig Spencer] notified authorities when he developed a fever and was quickly isolated at Bellevue Hospital Center, his own Ebola diagnosis prompted the governors of New York and New Jersey on Friday to impose a mandatory 21-day quarantine for medical workers returning from the countries hit hardest by the epidemic. Illinois later in the day imposed similar restrictions.

It would seem common sense is beginning to take hold.
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
The relief group began requiring all returning staff to stay isolated for 21 days, away from family members. ...“That’s just a part of the deal, and they have accepted that,” said Isaacs, who acknowledges that the requirements make it potentially more difficult to recruit volunteers to work in West Africa. “We’ve never felt comfortable that just coming back and letting people go about life as normal and take their temp two times a day was sufficient.”


Posted by alanleroyii on 10/16/14

"Why on God's green Earth would PJ want 'US aid workers & volunteers' to return from the front lines of the Ebola war on a commercial airliner?

They should fly on charter planes or military transports that follow protocols for sanitizing and potential contamination. They should go to quarantine upon their arrival. Of course they are allowed to return...but of course they shouldn't fly on a commercial flight. Duh...They know that. They know what they signed up for. They don't want to take any chance of infecting their fellow Americans with this scourge. They are the real heroes."

Yes, as a matter of fact I did suggest that Quarantine....and again I applaud the sacrifices these health care workers are making.





I don't really have an issue with drawing the line in different places as to screening passengers and quarantine...etc, etc. Its a much more sane conversation than the earlier ones regarding flight bans and building walls and the airborne nature of the disease....which I see we don't seem to be talking about anymore. That's great. THe collective IQ of this thread has risen about 30 points.

Again, I defer to the CDC experts as to where to draw the line because I'm not so arrogant as to believe I understand the subject better than they do. But whatever. If "quarantines and military flights" are safer than "monitoring and commercial flights" I don't have a big gripe. And I certainly don't want to get in the way of another episode of hate week at the Obama Administration.

It is noteworthy that not a single person has contracted the disease via the channels that quarantine and military flights are aimed at addressing. I am also not sure the infrastructure, IT systems, scheduling coordination exists for civilians to book flights on military charters. Its not like they can use Expedia. So how does that work exactly? But lets pretend that it does work because it makes our resident Fox News viewers happy...and pretending is a big part of their life - Which why they've declared defcon 5 over a disease that has infected fewer Americans than Taylor Swift has dated.

There's no hating of the Obama admin. Most just don't trust them to do anything properly except lie with straight faces. Incompetence trains people that way. The only reason Obama won't block people coming in from W. Africa is because most of them are black. And you know how he believes the upcoming Senate election needs black votes.
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
I don't really have an issue with drawing the line in different places as to screening passengers and quarantine...etc, etc. Its a much more sane conversation than the earlier ones regarding flight bans and building walls and the airborne nature of the disease....which I see we don't seem to be talking about anymore. That's great. THe collective IQ of this thread has risen about 30 points.

Again, I defer to the CDC experts as to where to draw the line because I'm not so arrogant as to believe I understand the subject better than they do. But whatever. If "quarantines and military flights" are safer than "monitoring and commercial flights" I don't have a big gripe. And I certainly don't want to get in the way of another episode of hate week at the Obama Administration.

It is noteworthy that not a single person has contracted the disease via the channels that quarantine and military flights are aimed at addressing. I am also not sure the infrastructure, IT systems, scheduling coordination exists for civilians to book flights on military charters. Its not like they can use Expedia. So how does that work exactly? But lets pretend that it does work because it makes our resident Fox News viewers happy...and pretending is a big part of their life - Which why they've declared defcon 5 over a disease that has infected fewer Americans than Taylor Swift has dated.
DonDiego has not detected any notable increase in his Intelligence Quotient over the last 10 days, . . . but he thanks pjstroh for suggesting it anyway. He's always hoped to get to a triple-digit IQ.

Oh, and what does pjstroh estimate the odds are that Taylor Swift would go on a date with poor old DonDiego, . . . nothing serious or committal, . . . just a one-nighter sort of thing?

[Is it just DonDiego, . . . or did pjstroh's post actually lower the IQ of the thread, . . . and did poor old DonDiego just lower it a mite more?]
Meanwhile we've had another school shooting that has claimed the lives of 2 people and left several others in critical condition....it is the 10th such shooting since Sandy Hook.

Our resident conservatives were not interested in putting fourth protocols that would "err on the side of safety" after Sandy Hook...and I dont expect they will be now. Unlike Ebola this is a problem that actually is spreading in America and leaving behind dead children in its wake.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Meanwhile we've had another school shooting that has claimed the lives of 2 people and left several others in critical condition....it is the 10th such shooting since Sandy Hook.

Our resident conservatives were not interested in putting fourth protocols that would "err on the side of safety" after Sandy Hook...and I dont expect they will be now. Unlike Ebola this is a problem that actually is spreading in America and leaving behind dead children in its wake.
DonDiego suggests a thread other than one addressing Ebola would be appropriate to discuss school shootings. DonDiego supposes it would be a popular thread, . . . subject to few, if any, emotional outbursts.
It's those that aren't symptom free that concerns me. How about a nurse with symptoms flying around the country, and a doctor bowling?

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: hoops2
People are calling for a ban on COMMERCIAL flights, not military/relief flights which can be controlled & quarantine procedures can be put in place. PJ is having a problem differentiating between the 2


The screening procedures you speak of are being put in place for commercial flights. I fail to see how a symptom free person flying home on Delta poses a bigger risk than a symptom free person flying home in a chartered military flight.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
And I certainly don't want to get in the way of another episode of hate week at the Obama Administration.

But lets pretend that it does work because it makes our resident Fox News viewers happy...and pretending is a big part of their life - Which why they've declared defcon 5 over a disease that has infected fewer Americans than Taylor Swift has dated.

On a thread about what the government should do about the Ebola virus one should expect some ideas that diverge from your own....especially since at the time this thread started, the Government was basically doing nothing to restrict travel from Ebola hotspots....but man...what is this hateful obsession you have with Fox News? You two need to get a room...preferably one with a big TV. Personally, I get all my news right here at LVA....oh and I use that Google News button where one can quickly review news from many sources of information.

And as for pretenders...pretending that this isn't a problem which merits discussion....well lets just say that others disagree with the head in the sand approach.


"The Ebola outbreak in West Africa is the most severe, acute health emergency seen in modern times."
World Health Organization Director-General Dr. Margaret Chan

“The Department of Defense’s number one priority is combating Ebola.”
General Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs

“The Ebola epidemic in West Africa has the potential to alter history as much as any plague has ever done.“
CIDRAP director at the University of Minnesota, Michael Osterholm

So yeah...lets move on...but just realize that even if we compared Ebola to the number of Miley Cirus STDs. It would still be one of the bigger and most urgent problems the world is currently facing....and we're all part of that world.
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