Ebola - What Should the Gubmint Do?

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Originally posted by: malibber2
The Constitution takes sort of a grim view on imprisonment of citizens without a trial.
DonDiego also disapproves of imprisonment of US citizens without a trial. But DonDiego recognizes there is a difference between "imprisonment" and "quarantine", as does the Law.

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Quarantine separates and restricts the movement of people who were exposed to a contagious disease to see if they become sick.

The federal government derives its authority for isolation and quarantine from the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution.
Under section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code § 264), the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to take measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states.
The authority for carrying out these functions on a daily basis has been delegated to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

States have police power functions to protect the health, safety, and welfare of persons within their borders. To control the spread of disease within their borders, states have laws to enforce the use of isolation and quarantine.
These laws can vary from state to state and can be specific or broad. In some states, local health authorities implement state law. In most states, breaking a quarantine order is a criminal misdemeanor.
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Ref: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
According to PJ, we should quarantine soldiers who have not had any direct contact with ebola as a safety precaution, but not quarantine people who have had direct contact with ebola because we don't want to hurt anybody's feelings
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Originally posted by: hoops2
According to PJ, we should quarantine soldiers who have not had any direct contact with ebola as a safety precaution, but not quarantine people who have had direct contact with ebola because we don't want to hurt anybody's feelings


I dont have to speak on behalf of healthcare volunteers and disease control experts. I let them speak for themselves. Thats why I keep defering to them instead of pundits and politicians. Hoops should learn to do the same. It might stop him from making strawman arguments like he did in his last post.

What is Gov Christie's reason for releasing the quarantined nurse before the 21 day deadline? If she is the massive health risk he (and you) proclaim she is then this was an incredibly irresponsible decision that put peoples lives at risk. Or maybe Governor Christie (and you) based their original policy on politics instead of medicine.
Apparently when we "defer" to the Ebola healthcare workers, some decide to mingle with the public, putting those around them in jeopardy of contracting the deadly illness. PJ really hasn't noticed that "self managed" quarantines are not reliable?

The great thing about being a Liberal is when policy explodes and proves wholly ineffective, they always claim that "My intentions were noble". After all, Liberal intentions are more important than Liberal performance.



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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: hoops2
According to PJ, we should quarantine soldiers who have not had any direct contact with ebola as a safety precaution, but not quarantine people who have had direct contact with ebola because we don't want to hurt anybody's feelings


I dont have to speak on behalf of healthcare volunteers and disease control experts. I let them speak for themselves. Thats why I keep defering to them instead of pundits and politicians. Hoops should learn to do the same. It might stop him from making strawman arguments like he did in his last post.

What is Gov Christie's reason for releasing the quarantined nurse before the 21 day deadline? If she is the massive health risk he (and you) proclaim she is then this was an incredibly irresponsible decision that put peoples lives at risk. Or maybe Governor Christie (and you) based their original policy on politics instead of medicine.



A study by scientists at Drexel University in Philadelphia has found there is a 12 per cent chance the deadly virus could lay dormant in a person's body for longer than the three-week period

Read more: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2795941/ebola-quarantine-period-not-long-deadly-virus-lay-dormant-body-longer-21-days-expert-says.html#ixzz3HRvVceUZ
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PJ continues to rely on the expertise of the man whose last job was counting calories on restaurant menus
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Originally posted by: hoops2


PJ continues to rely on the expertise of the man whose last job was counting calories on restaurant menus


Yeah - he's got a degree...oh, and he spent over a decade in the World Health Organization where the program he administered is reported to have saved nearly 2 million lives in India. So, yeah, I tend to think he's worth listening to.

What's Chris Christie's expertise, Hoops? And why did he break his own policy if it was so medically necessary?
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Apparently when we "defer" to the Ebola healthcare workers, some decide to mingle with the public, putting those around them in jeopardy of contracting the deadly illness. PJ really hasn't noticed that "self managed" quarantines are not reliable?

The great thing about being a Liberal is when policy explodes and proves wholly ineffective, they always claim that "My intentions were noble". After all, Liberal intentions are more important than Liberal performance.




Liberal? How about informed.

Boilerman claims peoples lives are in danger because of the informed peoples' policies. So then Boilerman can point to a single example of someone who has contracted Ebola in the US from the casual contact he keeps lecturing us about.

Oh wait - Boilerman is the guy who told us Ebola could be spread via airborne means. Yeah, I'll stick with the informed people.



Since we have more history of this disease in Africa, and thousands have contracted Ebola from casual contact with the sick, I'm confident that this is also possible in the United States.



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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Apparently when we "defer" to the Ebola healthcare workers, some decide to mingle with the public, putting those around them in jeopardy of contracting the deadly illness. PJ really hasn't noticed that "self managed" quarantines are not reliable?

The great thing about being a Liberal is when policy explodes and proves wholly ineffective, they always claim that "My intentions were noble". After all, Liberal intentions are more important than Liberal performance.




Liberal? How about informed.

Boilerman claims peoples lives are in danger because of the informed peoples' policies. So then Boilerman can point to a single example of someone who has contracted Ebola in the US from the casual contact he keeps lecturing us about.

Oh wait - Boilerman is the guy who told us Ebola could be spread via airborne means. Yeah, I'll stick with the informed people.


Some more experts

To be cautious, Samaritan’s Purse, a relief organization, imposes a 21 day isolation on workers returning from West Africa ever since one of its own, Dr. Kent Brantly, became infected. The hospital where Spencer practices emergency medicine requires a 21 day wait to return to work.

As of October 25, the World Health organization reports that 450 healthcare workers have contracted Ebola this year and 244 have died.

ABOUT ONE IN SEVEN PEOPLE INFECTED WITH EBOLA DOESN'T HAVE A FEVER BEFORE DIAGNOSIS. Airport screening relies largely on temperature taking. Data on over 4,000 Ebola cases – the most complete analysis ever – published October 16 in the New England Journal of Medicine show that 13% of patients don’t develop fever early on.
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Originally posted by: hoops2
Some more experts

To be cautious, Samaritan’s Purse, a relief organization, imposes a 21 day isolation on workers returning from West Africa ever since one of its own, Dr. Kent Brantly, became infected. The hospital where Spencer practices emergency medicine requires a 21 day wait to return to work.

As of October 25, the World Health organization reports that 450 healthcare workers have contracted Ebola this year and 244 have died.

ABOUT ONE IN SEVEN PEOPLE INFECTED WITH EBOLA DOESN'T HAVE A FEVER BEFORE DIAGNOSIS. Airport screening relies largely on temperature taking. Data on over 4,000 Ebola cases – the most complete analysis ever – published October 16 in the New England Journal of Medicine show that 13% of patients don’t develop fever early on.



So what? If they are not symptomatic they cant spread the disease short of jerking off on their seatmate's face. That's a medical term.
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