Vegas Free-for-All - Eric Garner

Eric Garner

rdalert447

Dec 5, 2014
10:41am

Bob,in NYC what criminals like Garner do is set up shop in front of legitimate businesses, and illegally sell untaxed cigarettes, stealing customers from the honest, tax paying store owners. These store owners then rightfully call 311, 911, Chief of Dept's Office, Precinct Community Council, Community Board, and the Mayor's Office to have the criminals removed.

hoops2

Dec 5, 2014
11:38am

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It took 5 cops to subdue him. The video does not show what happened prior to the takedown. I doubt all 5 cops plus a sgt showed up to arrest a guy over cigarettes. The police originally on the scene probably saw the incident escalating & called for backup.

CowboyKell

Dec 5, 2014
1:15pm

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Originally posted by: BobOrme

The cops used excessive force on Eric Garner. It would have been excessive even if he had lived. But, I don't believe this incident was about his race, given that the ranking officer at the scene was also black.

So lets look at it like a training simulation. The incident is at the point of arrest. The suspect/perpetrator starts resisting.

So, what are the arresting officers choices? And what might happen after each choice?

The officer backs off because he might injure the perpetrator? Then the perp. pulls out a gun and two officers and three innocent bystanders are killed.

The officer lets the suspect go because its a minor crime and someone might get hurt in the arrest? Then criminals become emboldened since there is no consequence to their crimes. Soon there is anarchy in the streets. Criminals break into your house and rape and kill your family. Unlikely? Of course. But remember, when you personally become a victim of crime, you wanted the police to go soft on the criminals.

BobOrme

Dec 5, 2014
1:24pm

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What that tells me is, NYC and the state of New York have created a black market in reselling cigarettes bought in nearby states with substantially lower taxes on the product. It isn't that taxes haven't been paid. Insane New York state and NYC taxes aren't being collected from a guy selling individual cigarettes, so he must be arrested? That just doesn't make sense to me.

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Originally posted by: rdalert447
Bob,in NYC what criminals like Garner do is set up shop in front of legitimate businesses, and illegally sell untaxed cigarettes, stealing customers from the honest, tax paying store owners. These store owners then rightfully call 311, 911, Chief of Dept's Office, Precinct Community Council, Community Board, and the Mayor's Office to have the criminals removed.

BobOrme

Dec 5, 2014
1:36pm

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Write him a $10 or $15 ticket/citation and tell him to leave. It takes one cop to do that. The level of the crime should never have been an offense that warranted an arrest in the first place.

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Originally posted by: CowboyKell

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Originally posted by: BobOrme

The cops used excessive force on Eric Garner. It would have been excessive even if he had lived. But, I don't believe this incident was about his race, given that the ranking officer at the scene was also black.

thegreek

Dec 5, 2014
6:20pm

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I'm not saying what happened to Eric garner was 100% right but on the other hand nobody needs to raise their hands up and start shoving police every time there is an arrest. There are a lot more good people out there both white and black to help solve this problem. My question is when are they going to unite and work together. Putting race aside and focus on helping to turn this entire problem around. It time that the black community starts hearing good things instead of the kind of talk from Holder---Obama--and Sharpton. The examples these three are putting out there are causing the riots and cause more trouble, Riots are not the answer. Example what happens if an emergency car has to get to a person for medical assistance and they are blocked but protectors. =Where does the blame get pointed....Yes in some cities I believe there are a few Cowboy Police Officers out there that want to push their authority to the place they are wanting people to resist and then they start pulling guns or clubs out. On the other hand there are a lot of good loyal Police Officers out there doing one hell of a good job. Every time things like this happen it just drives the race card further apart and in some cases certain individuals is exactly what both sides are planning. Obama and Holder needed to stay on the side lines on this issue instead they are taking sides and this really hurts everyone. You are always going to have the Sharpton and the Jacksons out there but why let them stir shit all the time.

rdalert447

Dec 5, 2014
8:40pm

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Bob, the sale of untaxed cigarettes is a Felony in NY State under their Criminal & Procedural Laws and their Tax Laws, so Police Officers don't have the discretion to issue summonses for that offense. Even if they were able to do that, the problem will be after the issuance when criminals like Garner return to the scene ten minutes later and resume selling. The store owner then calls the Commanding Officer of the precinct and the various Community Leaders and says the cops didn't solve his problem.
I agree with you about the tax aspect of it. The Governer pressures the Mayor for this enforcement, Mayor pressures the NYPD Chiefs, the Chiefs pressure the local Precincts, and it all lands on the street Cops in the form of Quotas. The street Cops don't want to be bothered with that nonsense.

drmilled

Dec 5, 2014
9:37pm

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Once again, it just goes to prove that cigarettes kill.

Boilerman

Dec 6, 2014
12:52am

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Tax laws are outrageous in New York, but they are still the law and laws must be enforced.

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Originally posted by: BobOrme
What that tells me is, NYC and the state of New York have created a black market in reselling cigarettes bought in nearby states with substantially lower taxes on the product. It isn't that taxes haven't been paid. Insane New York state and NYC taxes aren't being collected from a guy selling individual cigarettes, so he must be arrested? That just doesn't make sense to me.

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Originally posted by: rdalert447
Bob,in NYC what criminals like Garner do is set up shop in front of legitimate businesses, and illegally sell untaxed cigarettes, stealing customers from the honest, tax paying store owners. These store owners then rightfully call 311, 911, Chief of Dept's Office, Precinct Community Council, Community Board, and the Mayor's Office to have the criminals removed.

Boilerman

Dec 6, 2014
12:53am

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When he's making $150 a day selling illegal cigarettes, what will a $10 fine do?

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Originally posted by: BobOrme
Write him a $10 or $15 ticket/citation and tell him to leave. It takes one cop to do that. The level of the crime should never have been an offense that warranted an arrest in the first place.

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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
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Originally posted by: BobOrme

The cops used excessive force on Eric Garner. It would have been excessive even if he had lived. But, I don't believe this incident was about his race, given that the ranking officer at the scene was also black.

So lets look at it like a training simulation. The incident is at the point of arrest. The suspect/perpetrator starts resisting.

So, what are the arresting officers choices? And what might happen after each choice?

The officer backs off because he might injure the perpetrator? Then the perp. pulls out a gun and two officers and three innocent bystanders are killed.

The officer lets the suspect go because its a minor crime and someone might get hurt in the arrest? Then criminals become emboldened since there is no consequence to their crimes. Soon there is anarchy in the streets. Criminals break into your house and rape and kill your family. Unlikely? Of course. But remember, when you personally become a victim of crime, you wanted the police to go soft on the criminals.

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