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Boilerman

Jan 18, 2015
11:40am

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So what is Melon arguing?

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Originally posted by: melonhead

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Melon argues that the NYPD cops are turning their backs on de Blasio because they love him. LOL!

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Originally posted by: hoops2
Melon head proves my statement that the mayor whose police force is 47% black/Hispanic, thinks the force is racist.

Wow. I'll give you the same advice I have given the boil man - check with your local community college for a course that will help improve your reading comprehension. You're welcome.

Another big fat lie from boil guy - I am arguing nothing of the sort. And how many of the 35,000 police officers you referred to earlier actually turned their backs on the mayor? From the photos I saw it was nowhere near a huge amount. But I guess in your tiny little Rush/Sean/Bill world all 35,000 of them are frothing at the mouth with anger over some truthful remarks by DeBlasio. Do you have any clue how much dumber you sound with each new post? "LOL"

alanleroy

Jan 18, 2015
12:14pm

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Following the funerals there was a virtual work stoppage by NYPD with a 94% reduction in summons for minor offenses. I think we can safely assume the vast majority of NYPD were not happy with the Mayor's treatment. Not a few. Not some. Most.

You can't really believe this is all from ending stop and frisk.

https://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/12/nypd-in-work-stoppage-over-de-blasio-rift.html

So there was a reason that I did not quote any of De Blassio's Rhetoric leading up to the confrontation with NYPD. Melonhead's De Blasio quote which he claims "expresses a well-known truth" needs to be taken in context. It was made while the 'pot was simmering'...right after the Grand Jury's decision.

He uses weasel words like "And yet, because of a history that still hangs over us"...What History does Melonhead think the Mayor is coyly referring to? If you ask any of his constituents he is clearly referring to a history of racism within the NYPD. Sometimes you have to read between the lines.

So there we are. The exact same quote that Melonhead claims expresses a 'well known truth', former Mayor Giuliani declared 'Racist' and Union Boss Lynch claimed 'threw the police under the bus' and during a time of heightened tensions fanned the flames of anti-police attitudes.

So what good would have come from providing all of the Mayor's rhetoric as PJ and Malibber have demanded? Challenge the opposition's reading comprehension? Endless debates on the meaning of 'is'? It's why I said it wasn't relevant. It's clear the vast majority of NYPD believe Mayor De Blasio has contributed to a poor working environment....and that is a problem.

Some may say it doesn't matter and they just need to do their jobs and stop whining. I think it would be better for Mayor De Blasio to really work with the NYPD chiefs and union heads to show some leadership to mend this rift. I think he is trying..they had a meeting...but he has missed some clear opportunities to let the healing begin.

Don

Jan 18, 2015
10:26pm

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Originally posted by: alanleroy
Following the funerals there was a virtual work stoppage by NYPD with a 94% reduction in summons for minor offenses. I think we can safely assume the vast majority of NYPD were not happy with the Mayor's treatment. Not a few. Not some. Most.

Hmm, . . . a well-reasoned post, . . . at last.

Nothing good will come of this.

pjstroh

Jan 19, 2015
12:22am

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Alanleroy hasn't posted anything new. He continues to point to perception instead of truth. Several times in this thread he has accused the mayor of NY of engaging the police with a venomous level of vitriol. Of course, he cant back that up by posting any of that alleged vitriol....he simply rests his case on perception. Thoughtful readers can see my previous post explaining the difference between "truth" and "perception". Clearly AlanLeroy isn't interested in truth. Its a free country.

There are two very angry groups of people in NYC right now: the cops and the general community. AlanLeroy is right the mayor is looking to find ways of alleviating the bad blood on both sides. Its not an easy job and I wish him good luck.

But ultimately The mayor is elected to serve the community. That is his top priority. I'm happy to disagree with AlanLeroy the mayor should have been publicly silent about the platform he was specifically elected to enact - especially in the wake of an untried video-taped police killing the overwhelming majority of the community believes demonstrated unnecessary force. One can only speculate what the community's anger would have been if the mayor publicly ignored that incident. His top priority was talking to his constituents....and anyone who believes in transparent government would agree. If there are cops that are pissed about it - too bad. Much like AlanLeroy they cant point to anything specific thing the mayor said that was anti-police...they are just mad he is confronting the racist law enforcement practices that plagued the NYPD for years under Michael Bloomberg. Their hurt feelings are a secondary priority to the feelings of the public. And they are not helping their own cause by NOT doing their job now. They may regret their actions if falling revenues from citations result in layoffs.

hoops2

Jan 19, 2015
12:34am

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"they are just mad he is confronting the racist law enforcement practices that plagued the NYPD for years under Michael Bloomberg."

There is no proof to that statement

alanleroy

Jan 19, 2015
12:50am

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Alanleroy hasn't posted anything new. He continues to point to perception instead of truth. Several times in this thread he has accused the mayor of NY of engaging the police with a venomous level of vitriol. Of course, he cant back that up by posting any of that alleged vitriol....he simply rests his case on perception. Thoughtful readers can see my previous post explaining the difference between "truth" and "perception". Clearly AlanLeroy isn't interested in truth. Its a free country.

There are two very angry groups of people in NYC right now: the cops and the general community. AlanLeroy is right the mayor is looking to find ways of alleviating the bad blood on both sides. Its not an easy job and I wish him good luck.

But ultimately The mayor is elected to serve the community. That is his top priority. I'm happy to disagree with AlanLeroy the mayor should have been publicly silent about the platform he was specifically elected to enact - especially in the wake of an untried video-taped police killing the overwhelming majority of the community believes demonstrated unnecessary force. One can only speculate what the community's anger would have been if the mayor publicly ignored that incident. His top priority was talking to his constituents....and anyone who believes in transparent government would agree. If there are cops that are pissed about it - too bad. Much like AlanLeroy they cant point to anything specific thing the mayor said that was anti-police...they are just mad he is confronting the racist law enforcement practices that plagued the NYPD for years under Michael Bloomberg. Their hurt feelings are a secondary priority to the feelings of the public. And they are not helping their own cause by NOT doing their job now. They may regret their actions if falling revenues from citations result in layoffs.

So, if the majority of New Yorkers had a positive view of NYPD and a negative view of De Blasio, PJ would change his tune...Yeah right.

The bottom line is they did not elect the Mayor to develop a venomous and hostile working relationship with NYPD....and that's exactly what has happened. It's on his watch. He needs to fix it. Don't blame me. I'm just the messenger.

pjstroh

Jan 19, 2015
12:55am

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Originally posted by: alanleroy

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Alanleroy hasn't posted anything new. He continues to point to perception instead of truth. Several times in this thread he has accused the mayor of NY of engaging the police with a venomous level of vitriol. Of course, he cant back that up by posting any of that alleged vitriol....he simply rests his case on perception. Thoughtful readers can see my previous post explaining the difference between "truth" and "perception". Clearly AlanLeroy isn't interested in truth. Its a free country.

There are two very angry groups of people in NYC right now: the cops and the general community. AlanLeroy is right the mayor is looking to find ways of alleviating the bad blood on both sides. Its not an easy job and I wish him good luck.

But ultimately The mayor is elected to serve the community. That is his top priority. I'm happy to disagree with AlanLeroy the mayor should have been publicly silent about the platform he was specifically elected to enact - especially in the wake of an untried video-taped police killing the overwhelming majority of the community believes demonstrated unnecessary force. One can only speculate what the community's anger would have been if the mayor publicly ignored that incident. His top priority was talking to his constituents....and anyone who believes in transparent government would agree. If there are cops that are pissed about it - too bad. Much like AlanLeroy they cant point to anything specific thing the mayor said that was anti-police...they are just mad he is confronting the racist law enforcement practices that plagued the NYPD for years under Michael Bloomberg. Their hurt feelings are a secondary priority to the feelings of the public. And they are not helping their own cause by NOT doing their job now. They may regret their actions if falling revenues from citations result in layoffs.

I'm interested in truth..and when I make accusations I have the integrity to back them up with facts or reputable sources that point to that truth. (not perception of truth) But thats just me.

For people like AlanLeroy who are more interested in perception than truth there is also this:
As of January 2015.... 1 in 3 Republicans still believe the president is not a US citizen Perhaps we can start a new thread discussing the president's level of fault for ignorant peoples' perceptions about his legal status as a citizen.

alanleroy

Jan 19, 2015
1:33am

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Originally posted by: pjstroh

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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Alanleroy hasn't posted anything new. He continues to point to perception instead of truth. Several times in this thread he has accused the mayor of NY of engaging the police with a venomous level of vitriol. Of course, he cant back that up by posting any of that alleged vitriol....he simply rests his case on perception. Thoughtful readers can see my previous post explaining the difference between "truth" and "perception". Clearly AlanLeroy isn't interested in truth. Its a free country.

There are two very angry groups of people in NYC right now: the cops and the general community. AlanLeroy is right the mayor is looking to find ways of alleviating the bad blood on both sides. Its not an easy job and I wish him good luck.

But ultimately The mayor is elected to serve the community. That is his top priority. I'm happy to disagree with AlanLeroy the mayor should have been publicly silent about the platform he was specifically elected to enact - especially in the wake of an untried video-taped police killing the overwhelming majority of the community believes demonstrated unnecessary force. One can only speculate what the community's anger would have been if the mayor publicly ignored that incident. His top priority was talking to his constituents....and anyone who believes in transparent government would agree. If there are cops that are pissed about it - too bad. Much like AlanLeroy they cant point to anything specific thing the mayor said that was anti-police...they are just mad he is confronting the racist law enforcement practices that plagued the NYPD for years under Michael Bloomberg. Their hurt feelings are a secondary priority to the feelings of the public. And they are not helping their own cause by NOT doing their job now. They may regret their actions if falling revenues from citations result in layoffs.

So, if the majority of New Yorkers had a positive view of NYPD and a negative view of De Blasio, PJ would change his tune...Yeah right.

The bottom line is they did not elect the Mayor to develop a venomous and hostile working relationship with NYPD....and that's exactly what has happened. It's on his watch. He needs to fix it. Don't blame me. I'm just the messenger.

Actually I'm more interested in solving problems than debating weasel worded meanings of 'perception' or interpretations of political rhetoric. I identify the problem and offer solutions. You try to absolve 'your guy' of blame and then try to imply it's not really a problem...It's just 'some' NYPD.

I'm not interested in blaming the Mayor...clearly there's enough blame to go around ....I am holding the Mayor accountable for his responsibility to fix this problem...because the buck stops in the Mayor's office.

Now...as to Mr. Integrity.
1. Exactly what accusations do you think I have made?
If it's anything other than The Majority of NYPD think De Blasio has helped create a bad work environment and that is a problem and the Mayor needs to fix it...then I'm sorry.

2. If 60 Percent of New Yorkers think De Blasio has mishandled this situation, does that change your opinion that he's doing what the 'Community wants'?

3. If 73% of New Yorkers have a positive view of NYPD does that change your opinion on any of this?

Don

Jan 19, 2015
2:03am

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
Hmm, . . . a well-reasoned post, . . . at last.

Nothing good will come of this.

DonDiego, . . . right on, . . . again !

alanleroy

Jan 19, 2015
2:11am

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Originally posted by: DonDiego

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
Hmm, . . . a well-reasoned post, . . . at last.

Nothing good will come of this.

DonDiego, . . . right on, . . . again !

Yep. Life is tough when you're a non-partisan problem solver....like me.

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